I've taken the MB several times myself and it has always varied slightly, but I've always been a square... oh that's a different test...
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I've taken the MB several times myself and it has always varied slightly, but I've always been a square... oh that's a different test...
The Hobo
I got an engineering degree from CSM. I breezed through high school math & science, struggled in English and arts. Just didn't care to look at a picture or listen to music for any other reason than to enjoy it. Didn't care about hidden messages or meaning.
Dont know if I have ADD or not, but I can't read for fun. After a few pages, I'm lost as to what's going on, since I had already forgotten who was who. Movies are completely different. I can never remember peoples names in real life, but know them from their face. Sometimes a problem.
Engineering (math & science) came easy as I could figure out how things worked and solve problems. Still do.
I tried helping my 5th grade nefew with a math assignment and was completely lost in the methods he was taught to use. Showed him the way I learned, and he said my way made more sense.
Learned basic welding for a bridge class. Learned basic mechanics and carpentry from my dad and trade classes in HS.
I'm stuck in an office now. Troubleshooting others work and supervising younger engineers. One thing I have noticed is the constant need for validation. They dont like failure at all. I let them fail to learn why. They also dont like working alone. I loved working alone, probably because I worked with so many freeloaders riding my coat tails. I even had a clueless boss who had me respond to enquiries and then cut and paste and take credit. That ended when I caught on and sent a response that was nonsense and horribly written with many misspellings. He didt review it before cut & pasting with his name. CCed me in the response and I responded all with the correct answer.
There are times i wish i didn't get into engineering and became an equipment operator. That looks fun digging, drilling or demoing. Demoing looks especially fun.
Do you want a degree? Yes, wanted a degree as my high school teachers always told me I couldn't make it through college.Originally Posted by TheGrey
What kind, and why? Electrical Engineering, conferred (Physics and Mathematics both non-conferred degree as I did not want to pay the additional fee's) it sounded fun, and was a pathway to making lots of money.
Do you like to attend classes, whether your career needs them or not? Yes and No. The classes that applied to degree were alight, what I realized after graduation is I didn't learn anything after all once I started my carrer. Humanities classes were a waste of money and air.
What's your favorite subject, and why? Solid State physics, I got to apply quantum mechanics and ended up fabrication my own silicon wafer microchips
Do you continue studies on your own time? Yes, send too much time reading the national electric code which was never taught in college as it applies a lot to my line of work.
Do you have memories of a favorite teacher you'd like to share? A professor who was originally from a village in Germany that I grew up not too far from.
Are you seeking a class on a particular subject? Hopefully not anytime soon.
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Deplorable millennial born 30 years too late
As far as Education goes I hated every minute of it, still do. I would rather read the material and learn it on my own, than sit in a class room. I went to 5 different colleges before deciding the degrees were not worth it. I never actually finished any of them, and only need a few credit hours to finish... I will not be going back to finish them as there is no point. I have worked in several areas throughout the years, and the lack of a degree never held me back. I do occasionally have to sit through classes for work, but they are 2 weeks or less and provide some certification that I will never use outside of the office, and I still hate doing it.
The classes I want to take are things like Design and build, and Post and beam construction like the ones give by the shelter institute in Maine http://www.shelterinstitute.com/classes
I also look forward to taking some classes with Frontsight, Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, and Magpul. As funds and time permit.
The Hobo
Yes. Strength Finder is another good survey.
If you are a set of four relatively "pure" characteristics, you will score the same on MBTI. My best friend swears by that dumb tool because of this dynamic occurring in his case. (Drives me nuts!)
Got my Bachelors in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. Worked a specific niche of it for a while, took a very different job with a soul-less mega corp and never looked back. Best thing about the degrees were the way they reframed my outlook on structured analysis and problem solving. And the intrinsic understanding of math that was beaten into me has been very useful as well. I sometimes wish I had given up the dual majors track and minored in dance. I wouldn't have been any good at dance, but it would have cost less, the scenery would have been better, and the odds would definitely have been in my favor.
Organizational psychology is very big in the middle-management ranks where I work. We've taken countless MBTIs, done Strength Finders a half dozen times, and all sorts of other flavors of personality tests that were supposed to provide us with self-enlightenment and more effective relationships with our peers. And the truth is I find very little value in any of it. I have observed a certain class of folks who ascribe to what I call 'Management by Manual'. They thrive on Management 360°s, Harvard Business Reviews (the short ones that are 'leadership insight' focused, with few pages and lots of pull-quotes in large fonts), group MBTIs, and whatever pop org psychology is in vogue at the moment. These are the folks who need an external narrative to provide validation of their self-worth, and paper over that glittering sense of insecurity least the rank and file perceive weakness. I know of many great managers who find some value in these things as well, but I have never seen a manual or test turn a mediocre manager into a good one.
About the most interesting test I've ever taken is the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or MMPI, which was about a 600 question true-false test used to benchmark people to known mental disorders. It was a popular security clearance tool in the 90s. It's been a good few decades, but what I recall most is that me and the paranoids had a lot in common, with the schizophrenics being a surprisingly distant second. So I may be paranoid, but I am unlikely to be a paranoid schizophrenic. At least, that's what the voices in my head keep telling me.
Math is tough. Let's go shopping!
It may help you if you are completely non self aware. I found it to be similar to a vague fortune teller. With a large side of up selling.
These are all good points. It must be understood -- and all too often is not -- these surveys are merely tools. They give leadership additional data points which help develop good people into better people ... when they are used correctly.
The way I encourage my clients to use these tools is to AVOID promoting someone to management who will be mediocre. Because, as JohnnyEgo posts, no test can turn a mediocre manager into a good manager.
Nothing is, by itself, a Magic Bullet.
Oddly enough, the MMPI came under a LOT of criticism due to its constructs being manipulated. As I recall the MMPI was tweaked so it found more people to be abnormal than was true. It was a BIG stink in the industry.About the most interesting test I've ever taken is the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or MMPI, which was about a 600 question true-false test used to benchmark people to known mental disorders. It was a popular security clearance tool in the 90s. It's been a good few decades, but what I recall most is that me and the paranoids had a lot in common, with the schizophrenics being a surprisingly distant second. So I may be paranoid, but I am unlikely to be a paranoid schizophrenic. At least, that's what the voices in my head keep telling me.
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