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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    That's diplomatic. I'll go with what you wrote as my version would probably ruffle some of the snowflake feathers on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Are you thinking less Republicans would have voted for him before all this? I have no opinion as I didn't follow until now, just curious.
    Yes. To be clear I'm talking about his testimony. I think that really turned the tide. Apparently, I'm not the only one. Bob Corker, who was leaning towards a "no" vote, has now said he'll vote for Kavanaugh. Joe Manchin is a strong possibility for a "yes" vote on the democrat side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I'm not trying to play devil's advocate so much as I'm trying to raise the minimum level of commentary. If we're going to complain about the Dems trying to draw completely BS inferences between things like high school drinking and partyig being indications of being a rapist, then if we at the same time make equally BS inferences of equating success to being fair and having integrity, that just makes us hypocrites.

    I get so tired of the double standards and looking the other way for your team but not the other. Anyway, that was my point. I'll knock it off in this thread.
    Let's be clear and honest about the bullshit questions the democrats were asking. Those questions were asked because they had nothing else. Nothing. They fired everything they had at Kavanaugh and they missed. He's going to be confirmed. You have NEVER seen a democrat nominee, for anything, treated like this by republicans. Never. But it happens over and over with democrats. And frankly, I see people on the right constantly bitching and complaining about republicans in government who promise one thing and do another. McCain was a perfect example. Conservatives hated McCain as a senator. I know I did. Same for the limp dicks like Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse or RINOs like Murkowski and Collins.

    Democrats showed their true nature with this fiasco and it's very, very ugly.
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    I didn't get to listen to the testimony today, but I have gone back and looked over a lot of the notes, and one thing is painfully clear...

    If Kavanaugh isn't confirmed because of this horse shit, we will never see a conservative judge confirmed again. It'll be the same ******* circus of manufactured claims of inappropriate conduct every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mises Institute

    The Supreme Court: Why the Stakes Are So High

    09/26/2018 James Bovard

    The furor over the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh is spurring many commentators to bewail that the Supreme Court has become too powerful. But the real problem is that the Court is now often little more than a fig leaf to provide legitimacy for a Leviathan that would have mortified the Founding Fathers. The Court’s betrayal of its constitutional role has vastly increased the stakes for the current and any future Justice nomination.

    Kavanaugh’s owes his credibility as a nominee to the Supreme Court dodging key issues in recent decades. Kavanaugh worked as a White House associate counsel after 9/11 when Justice Department lawyers asserted that the president had a right to violate the law and the Constitution, the most brazen assertion of absolutism in modern times. Kavanaugh avidly supported nominating John Yoo as a federal judge despite a Yoo memo asserting that President Bush had a right to declare martial law and deploy U.S. troops in American cities. The Supreme Court never forthrightly condemned the Bush administration’s torture program that Yoo legally enabled.

    The Supreme Court also shirked ruling on the National Security Administration illegal wiretapping, instead rejecting a challenge in 2013 because the defendants could not prove the feds secretly spied on them. The Court was shamed a few months later when Edward Snowden released a deluge of documents proving vast illicit surveillance of millions of Americans. But because the Court never stood up for Americans’ constitutional rights, Kavanaugh could get away with a 2015 appeals court decision in which he declared that “the Government’s metadata collection program is entirely consistent with the Fourth Amendment.”

    The Court’s post-9/11 docility fits a long pattern of rulings which have practically defined “outrageous government conduct” such as entrapment out of existence. For practically a century, the Supreme Court has been “the dog that didn’t bark” when the executive and legislative branches trampled the Constitution. (In the 1892 story "Silver Blaze," Sherlock Holmes identified a horse thief thanks to his familiarity with a dog that failed to sound the alarm.)

    In 1990, in the case of Michigan vs. Sitz , the Supreme Court upheld drunk driving checkpoints because the searches were equally intrusive on all drivers, so no individual had a right to complain. This stood the Bill of Rights on its head, requiring government to equally violate the rights of all citizens. The same legal mindset sanctifies Transportation Security Administration enhanced patdowns which pointlessly grope groins as long as the feds treat all travelers like terrorist suspects.

    In 2001, in the case of Atwater vs. Lago Vista , the Court upheld the arrest of any citizen accused of violating any picayune local, state, or federal ordinance. This case involved a Texas woman who was driving slowly in a residential area; because her children were not wearing seatbelts, she was handcuffed and taken away. The Court declared that police can arrest anyone believed to have “committed even a very minor criminal offense.” This ignores the criminalization of everyday life that has occurred at every level of government, thus giving law enforcement pretexts to detain almost anyone they choose. (Police boast that they can find a reason to pull over almost any driver.)

    In 2005, in the case of Kelo vs. New London , the Supreme Court approved local politicians confiscating private property as long as they believe that some other private use of the land would generate more tax revenue. Scuttling the Fifth Amendment’s Takings clause (which restricted the use of eminent domain), the Court instead empowered governments to commandeer any land for almost any purpose so long as government officials promised net benefits to society sometime in the future. This sweeping decision makes private property rights contingent on political candor - the shakiest of foundations.

    Court decisions do occasionally throw a penalty flag on government abuses but the Justices are akin to a football referee that notices only every tenth clip or roughing of the quarterback. Unfortunately, the Court has consistently ruled that government officials are personally immune regardless of how they abuse private citizens.

    If the Supreme Court had not long devoted itself to concocting judicial rationales for political power grabs, there would not be so much hatred and fear surrounding the Kavanaugh nomination. Because of the deference Court decisions receive, citizens view court nominees as the ultimate czars of whether they will be forcibly disarmed, stripped of their property, treated like prisoners when traveling, or denied sovereignty over their own bodies. Recent bitter experience confirms the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson’s 1820 warning that permitting judges to be “the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions” is “a very dangerous doctrine indeed.”

    Rather than focusing on whether Kavanaugh or his accusers consumed excessive alcohol, we should recognize that the current frenzy is the result of a political class long since drunk with power. Regardless of the outcome of the Kavanaugh nomination, the Supreme Court should return to its long-lost role as a bulwark against tyranny. Unfortunately, there are not any mobs in the Washington streets howling for that salutary outcome.

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    What a disgusting process. I was angry all night at the way he has been treated. Even to tv panel on 5.1 said the democrats made them feel sick. I hope it does backfire on the dems and he gets in the supreme court.
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    In here, mostly what I see is "win", and how this should sway on-the-fence folks, but have many of you had the displeasure of watching/listening to any news, radio, etc. last night or this morning?

    The media (as expected) is cherry picking the sound bites and perspectives to continue to skew this left. Unfortunately, a large portion of the on-the-fence folks are also low info voters.
    Should he be confirmed? I feel he should, and it should be done right away. We still have a huge uphill battle, and the dims are going to double or triple down after this. I also feel, and I do not wish harm or ill will on anyone, should any of the sitting judges become incapacitated due to medical or mental issues, the R's should immediately and forcefully nominate and confirm the next judge, providing they still hold the power to do so. You know the dims will, and they will rest on this debacle to justify it. Hell, if they gain enough power, they would likely move to increase the number of sitting judges, so they can regain the majority opinion.

    If anyone feels this has exposed the dims true colors in a manner that will change the vast majority of the public opinion, I feel you are sadly mistaken.
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