Who do we like for SCOTUS?

[Irving]

Now...to those of you who say democrats and republicans are the same, look at democrat behavior since Trump was elected, including this perversion of our government and Constitutional process, and tell me you still believe that.

I think you're referring to me, so feel obligated to respond. Pretty much I do still feel the same as before. No two groups are going to do everything alike, but in the end I see no difference in the way that Libs/Cons hold tightly to their beliefs and are easily pulled along by false narratives and automatically recoil away from anything suggested by someone on the other side just to reaffirm their position within their group.

[Irving]

The #metoo standard really needs to be, if you cannot substantiate your allegation in any way shape or form, then you shouldn't make it, regardless of if you believe it yourself or not. We're destroying the standard of reputation in our country and turning the reins over to the malicious. Sure, there are a lot of crimes that cannot be substantiated... what about their voice? Well, we are innocent until proven guilty - which takes priority. Our current more of "any accusation must be kinda true, and we can never harm the potential victim" has turned our country into one where anyone's reputation and career can be destroyed at the whim of anyone else - for any reason, factual or otherwise.

You know what it's akin to? The crusades and other related actions (of other religions as well). Largely indiscriminate holy wars that kill a lot of "bad guys" but also kill a lot of everyone else in the process.

There's just no defense for this for the innocent accused of this. You're steamrolled by a armored horse of SJW, which rewrites history with every hoof print, unless you have 24/7 body camera footage archived of every day and minute of your life from the time you were 5.

Modern witch hunting for sure. If you weigh less than a duck, then you're a sexual abuser.

[RblDiver]

I wish someone would have the balls to call out this SJW crap.

Start by saying America was founded on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Go into Kavanaugh's legal career and the number of background investigations he's passed, including prior appointments. Then go into his accuser, a California professor, and perhaps, her political leaning and history. Then, the fact that this was sat on until the legitimate hearings were over. Then, go into the 65 women from his high school who sent a letter of support, and Ford's own "witness" who recanted and admitted she had no first hand knowledge.

Then, I'd go into research studies that show a great number of memories of any individual are false, and moreover, around 1-4% of the population is just flat out pathological, of which certainly there would be a few women that went to his high school and college, and at least a few that are politically motivated to "DO ANYTHING TO STOP HIM* *MOUTH FOAM* up to and including flat out lying or at minimum, gross exaggeration. This is a national level, I have a hard time believing one of the chicken little liberals who went to his schools wouldn't want to *fall on the sword* for their cause. And I'd openly, flat out fucking say, if this had any legitimacy it wouldn't have been used in a predictable, 13th hour, malicious political ploy by two woman who has political incentives to try to delay as long as possible.

I wish someone would publicly say, IM TIRED OF A MERE UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATION BEING TREATED AS EVIDENCE. Then, you are subpoenaed and WILL come here on ----- at --:-- to testify or warrant will issue and YOU WILL will be arrested and brought in chains and handcuffs. There is no "agreements" to testify on your fucking terms. And if we find your claim lacking in any evidence, if witnesses do not collaborate your story, you will be transferred and handled by the FBI/DOJ with our recommendation to find ANY and ALL charges that will stick, to set an example, for once.

Then go off and ask why the Dems aren't as gung-ho about prosecuting DNC deputy chair Keith Ellison, or how Cory Booker admitted that he groped a girl at the same age, or how MoveOn (which just produced a video of "We believe her") was founded to try to, well, move on from much more credible allegations against Bill.

[Skip]

The #metoo standard really needs to be, if you cannot substantiate your allegation in any way shape or form, then you shouldn't make it, regardless of if you believe it yourself or not. We're destroying the standard of reputation in our country and turning the reins over to the malicious. Sure, there are a lot of crimes that cannot be substantiated... what about their voice? Well, we are innocent until proven guilty - which takes priority. Our current more of "any accusation must be kinda true, and we can never harm the potential victim" has turned our country into one where anyone's reputation and career can be destroyed at the whim of anyone else - for any reason, factual or otherwise.

[snip]

Agree with you 100%!!! But I have to point out to everyone, this was the whole idea.

#MeToo does the following...

1. Demands a presumption of guilt over innocence
2. Denies the guilty party due process
3. Prohibits any evidentiary standard that disadvantages the accuser (this changes based on the case)


Don't agree to all of these and you "hate women." Feminists have said over and over again, the facts don't matter, it's what a woman feels that matters.

#1 means Kavanaugh is no longer eligible for USSC because he can't prove his innocence even though Ford hasn't given an official testimony with a date/location.

#2 is Katz (Ford's lawyer) trying to make Kavanaugh testify again, prohibiting Kavanaugh from being the room, and dictating other terms. Under those terms, it's not even clear if Kavanaugh would get to address Ford's testimony (which may/may not happen).

#3 means that applying even "preponderance..." is intolerable. Hell, what test do you apply to a 35 year old he said/she said? Presumption of innocence defaults to Kavanaugh but then there's that #1.

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Today has been nuts. Libs are 100% invested in Ford's story being true. And they know the odds as well as we do so if this falls apart it's going to be a Nov 2016 level meltdown.

After the Kavanaugh Allegations, Republicans Offer a Shocking Defense: Sexual Assault Isn’t a Big Deal

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...social_twitter


You can read the whole thing if you'd like but the headline makes it plenty clear.

No one has said sex assault isn't a big deal but this is what you get if you ask for testimony, due process, and careful consideration instead of participating in the Lib lynch mob.

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Then go off and ask why the Dems aren't as gung-ho about prosecuting DNC deputy chair Keith Ellison, or how Cory Booker admitted that he groped a girl at the same age, or how MoveOn (which just produced a video of "We believe her") was founded to try to, well, move on from much more credible allegations against Bill.

The accessory to #MeTo is the allegation of "whataboutism" which is a device that doesn't require Dims to address those people. Even though it's the same issue and even the same exact behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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[snip for scrollers]

Yup, you're nailing it!

The theory on testimony avoidance is the two things we've been seeing and discussed; perjury and needing details. She has no details. None! She vaguely described a colonial style house. She named witnesses who said it never happened. There's nothing to go on.

I still think they (Katz + Feinstein/Dims + financiers) wanted the Senate to give them a long delay, wanted the FBI to come up with time/location gaps that work, and then assemble all this into her committee performance using their DoJ leakers.

The risk here is big. It's better for Dims to leave this one a murky question mark than for her to appear, get caught lying, and face perjury charges. They wouldn't be able to use #MeToo for a long time.

Kavanaugh going first? Why? To again deny it as he's already done under oath? Makes zero sense if Ford is telling the truth! If Kavanaugh is lying they could use Ford's details to catch him in his lie.

Oh, and now she's afraid to fly!!!

Social media was scrubbed during the Feinstein letter window (July - Sept) so don't have pics of her in exotic vacation spots, but she's a Phd who lives in Palo Alto with a beach house in Santa Cruz. This math ain't hard: She flies. A. lot.

Grassley is keeping the vote on Monday!!!

https://apnews.com/8f5fc89473d8429f9...ign=SocialFlow

[Bailey Guns]

I think you're referring to me, so feel obligated to respond. Pretty much I do still feel the same as before. No two groups are going to do everything alike, but in the end I see no difference in the way that Libs/Cons hold tightly to their beliefs and are easily pulled along by false narratives and automatically recoil away from anything suggested by someone on the other side just to reaffirm their position within their group.

No, I wasn't referring to you. No everything is about you, Stu.



Actually, I was also talking about the political parties/politicians. Yes, most politicians are scumbags and in the biz for personal power and enrichment. There are some that do it for the right reasons.

But in terms of parties, there is no comparison between the two when you're talking corruption and failure to follow the rule of law.

Even in this case, democrats are trying to control everything thru lies and manipulation. Of course, with the media we have these days, which is basically just the propaganda arm of the democrat party, it makes their (the democrats) job much easier. They're trying to change rules of procedure, evidence, senate rules...you name it they want to change it to their advantage. The republicans are bending over backwards to make an appearance by this woman possible. They should be telling her to pack sand. She, nor the democrat party, should be allowed to change the entire system to fit her/their agenda. She's demanding that Kavanaugh testify first, for example. Well, that's not how it works. The victim/prosecution lays out the charges first then the defense/accused responds.

This lady is demanding an investigation but can't even provide basic facts about the alleged offense. "I was sexually assaulted by this person but I don't know when or where. All I know is it was 36 years ago, give or take." She's identified one other person as a witness and that witness, along with the accused, vehemently deny the allegations. She has NOTHING else.

This is nothing more than a political move and she's been turned into the pawn of the day by DiFi and the democrat party who are now trying to make republicans look like the bad guys. Democrats have no conscience and everything they say, everything they believe in, is based on lies and hypocrisy. They're making a huge deal out of this alleged, likely fabricated incident, yet they're ignoring a REAL case of abuse by one of their own, Keith Ellison, with overwhelming evidence that the accused committed the offense. Democrats care about one thing and one thing only....staying in power. That's it.

The democrat party is the greatest threat to freedom and liberty in this country since it was founded. All you have to do is look around at what they're doing these days to know that's true.

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Grassley might be waffling. He's made some tweets that are a little vague.

Grassley grants Kavanaugh accuser another extension

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...extension.html

The new deadline was unclear, but Ford had requested that a 10 p.m. ET Friday deadline be extended until Saturday.

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Grassley initially invited Ford to testify Monday and gave Ford until 10 a.m. Friday to respond. That deadline passed Friday without a deal after Ford’s attorneys made clear this week Ford didn’t want to testify Monday but suggested she would do so on another day.

This is disappointing, people are looking for him to hold firm to his Monday deadline.

I think this is all managing optics at this point knowing she won't testify but Republicans want it obvious that she was given every chance.

[Bailey Guns]

I think this is all managing optics at this point knowing she won't testify but Republicans want it obvious that she was given every chance.

You're probably right. On the other hand, most rational people realize she's had 36 years worth of chances to say what she's wanted to say. Testify or don't but stop playing your stupid fuckin' games.

[cstone]

I re-watched a couple hours of Justice Thomas’ Senate confirmation hearing. Orin Hatch and Joe Biden were so much younger in 1991...but so was I.