Diesel pickups are for chumps

[wyome]

Where's the diesel pickups @ in this thread

[BladesNBarrels]

Where's the diesel pickups @ in this thread

In the title!

[Gman]

In the title!

Winner!

[Jer]

So what you're saying Jer is that it's impossible for this guy to pass out with one hand on the wheel?

Is it impossible? No. Is it next to impossible to pass out with his hand on the wheel in a manner that was causing the car to sense JUST the right amount of resistance to prevent the system from shutting off while not putting TOO much resistance against the wheel to cause it to shut off? You do the math.

Keep in mind, there is no sensor within the steering wheel that senses pressure. The car actually senses resistance against it automatically manipulating the wheel. There is a VERY thin line between sensing resistance to keep Autopilot enabled and too much resistance which would be like tapping the brake on a car with standard cruise control. If you "take over" at any point it disables Auto Steer which is one of the components of Autopilot.

If you've ever driven one of these and experienced how Autopilot works you'd know that this story is pure BS. Much like negative firearms stories, a lot of these "articles" are written from a place of pure ignorance to how any of it actually works and instead on what they saw in movies/TV or heard from a guy who knows a guy.

[wyome]

What if a fat guys belly was pressing up on the wheel?

[68Charger]

I'm just going to say the roads would be SAFEST with asshats like this guy's license being revoked.

I'm not going to entertain any arguement a that defends them using autopilot as a DUI defense.

Not until it's legal to be asleep at the wheel.

I'm sure a properly motivated person could find ways around the autopilot "safeguards". Just so long as they know they breaking the law. If an accident occurs while illegally on AP, then they could face much stiffer penalties including possible jail time (depending on the severity of the accident).

Whether on autopilot or not, they are legaly responsible.

[Jer]

Whether on autopilot or not, they are legaly responsible.

I couldn't agree more and this is the part that most people continue missing & MSM does a good job of avoiding discussing otherwise their stories would be too cut and dry to sensationalize.

Autopilot or not YOU are still responsible for your actions and the actions of the car you are driving. Blaming Autopilot for anything is just as dumb as blaming cruise control which seems idiotic in 2018 but when it was introduced a lot of people tried the "cruise control did it" defense before people realized that doesn't work. Autopilot is the same damn thing.

[00tec]

Is it impossible? No. Is it next to impossible to pass out with his hand on the wheel in a manner that was causing the car to sense JUST the right amount of resistance to prevent the system from shutting off while not putting TOO much resistance against the wheel to cause it to shut off? You do the math.

Keep in mind, there is no sensor within the steering wheel that senses pressure. The car actually senses resistance against it automatically manipulating the wheel. There is a VERY thin line between sensing resistance to keep Autopilot enabled and too much resistance which would be like tapping the brake on a car with standard cruise control. If you "take over" at any point it disables Auto Steer which is one of the components of Autopilot.

If you've ever driven one of these and experienced how Autopilot works you'd know that this story is pure BS. Much like negative firearms stories, a lot of these "articles" are written from a place of pure ignorance to how any of it actually works and instead on what they saw in movies/TV or heard from a guy who knows a guy.

Yet, these things exist...

https://www.autopilotbuddy.com

You can defeat the "pressure" sense with an orange.


I'm not saying that the DUI was purely on autopilot, but it is fairly simple to get around the need to have your hand on the wheel.

[Jer]

Yet, these things exist...

https://www.autopilotbuddy.com

You can defeat the "pressure" sense with an orange.


I'm not saying that the DUI was purely on autopilot, but it is fairly simple to get around the need to have your hand on the wheel.

No, you can't because there isn't one. Defeating the nanny with an orange was urban legend aka Fake News that has been tested and debunked countless times since it surfaced.

Again, it doesn't sense pressure on the steering wheel at all. It senses rotational resistance at the steering wheel hub. It requires occasional light physical resistance (too much will cancel Auto Steer as stated previously) to the automatic steering wheel inputs the computer is doing in order to keep you in the lane.

It was thought that possibly early on the orange offered enough weight off-center to give enough resistance but this was never even confirmed by a trustworthy source. Even if it did exist the sensing algorithm was updated at some point to be able to tell the difference if it was even ever a thing which most are in agreement that it wasn't at all.

[00tec]

No, you can't because there isn't one. Defeating the nanny with an orange was urban legend aka Fake News that has been tested and debunked countless times since it surfaced.

Again, it doesn't sense pressure on the steering wheel at all. It senses rotational resistance at the steering wheel hub. It requires occasional light physical resistance (too much will cancel Auto Steer as stated previously) to the automatic steering wheel inputs the computer is doing in order to keep you in the lane.

It was thought that possibly early on the orange offered enough weight off-center to give enough resistance but this was never even confirmed by a trustworthy source. Even if it did exist the sensing algorithm was updated at some point to be able to tell the difference if it was even ever a thing which most are in agreement that it wasn't at all.

Urban myth that an off center weight can be used to defeat the safeties? Enough to get the NHTSA involved to ban the autopilot buddy? (That has now relaunched as a "cell phone holder")

I understand that you are passionate about defending Tesla from haters, but you have to admit that some of this is possible.