Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
Jer I like you and I get why you are defending your new found love. But there are some realistic differences that apply to some of us.
I couldn’t take an EV vehicle in my hunting trips. An EV vehicle won’t remotely come close to pulling what I can and do pull for as long as I can pull, as far as I can pull and in the fastest given time that I can pull with a present day diesel truck. That’s what this thread was about, that’s what the comparison is about. It is hands down in 100% favor of a modern day diesel truck over a concert EV truck for what I do.

Now for cost, you can’t say an EV has no cost. Just because someone subsidizes the energy bill at a charging location doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost somewhere.
A huge cost goes into a charging station at a residence. An even bigger one for pit stops or rest areas or subsidized stations. Those costs add up and draw plenty of power. Power isn’t free and comes from somewhere and is paid for by someone. If I got free diesel I could claim my truck is free to run and with a 100gal tank in the bed I could run damn near across the country non stop and recycle my waste by tossing it on the windshields of whatever Prius I pass.

The problem is a huge initial upfront cost, a .gov (dem) subsidized vehicle taking my tax dollars and giving them to monster companies to sell these vehicles because they are cost prohibitive generally or they are mandated by .gov for mpg standards.
And then it comes down to practicality. There isn’t that for me personally. I would rather get a used Honda Civic for $10k and spend $60k in gas then get a $70k EV because it is “cool” and “it doesn’t use any power or gas” which again is total BS. It sucks up plenty of juice, it just depends on who is paying for it. That civic will last longer, guaranteed. Batteries on iPads last a couple thousand charges. EVs will be similar and then a huge expense to replace them or you suffer the degradation of range.

Cool concept, but not practical for a whole lot of people and when those who love this new concept start to push and push how great their idea is and make sure anyone who disagrees knows how bad and wrong they are, that turns into the shitty way of doing things.
I've said it numerous times and I guess I have to put a disclaimer at the beginning of every single post I make: I'm not saying EVs are for everyone and that they can fit every need. Hell, I feel like I've said that half a dozen times just tonight and yet people still insist on putting words into my mouth. Saying it's my "new found love" trivializes the years of research I've done on the topic. This isn't some torrid love affair that will fizzle after a few months. The tires are turning and I'm not the one turning them but I'm part of it. Some don't like change and I get that but don't blame the messenger.

Hell, I still feel that EV isn't even the right platform for heavy duty use and I'm on the record saying that. I feel like hydrogen would be the best solution for long-haul semitractor trailers but nobody is building one. Tesla makes EVs so they said screw it, we'll build something better. That doesn't mean it's the best solution but it's probably going to be better than what is currently available.

I feel like these full size pick-ups fall somewhere in the middle. For most they will be fine. For some who actually use their pick-ups more like a semi they may not suffice. I wouldn't suggest anyone put on the blinders and buy something that doesn't fit their needs. I also grew up on farms and know that most city folk "need" a lot, lot, LOT less pick-up truck than they think they do. That's another topic though.

Your needs are that 1-2% I talked about but blindly trying to take down the entire segment because of your specified needs is a bit myopic. No sense bashing the things I've said as I stated numerous times it was speaking to the 98-99% use. In those cases they still apply.

I can say that charging them at a Supercharger has not cost because, for me, it does. You seem to think that means that taxes are paying them and they are but the fact is that Tesla pays for that and the cost is built into the price of the cars. I'm sure that those paying $140k for a car are absorbing the lion's share of that cost. Just like they all have free 4G LTE for streaming music 100% free for life, web surfing and anything else you can do with data and guess what.... free. Sure it comes with the cost of that car but that's better than being nickle and dimmed to death with monthly fees. Personally, I like buying a used car at a massive discount over new and getting all the perks w/o a monthly service charge for the rest of my life.

As for a huge cost going into a charging station at a residence.... $39 is a huge cost? I put in a NEMA 14-50 outlet myself in an afternoon and it was $39 worth of parts from Home Depot. Even if you pay an electrician to do it that wouldn't have cost more than $200-$300 in this area. The cost isn't huge to charge at home at all. Quite the contrary because we've saved about $450 per month in has the last three months we've been driving these Model S's. It's pretty nice never having to go stand outside at a gas station. Not to mention I no longer have to roll around on my cold garage floor in the winter changing engine oil and doing other "routine maintenance" that simply doesn't exist on an EV.

Where can you get free diesel?

Here we go with the government subsidized tax dollars things again. You need to do more research on what "subsidies" exist for the big three and compare them to Tesla and then come back and tell me how much Tesla is ripping the tax payer off. This song has been played for years and it's complete BS man. Tesla got a LOAN at the same time Ford did and it was a fraction of the amount Ford got. GM and Chrysler also took loans as well as bailouts. Tesla paid their LOAN back ahead of schedule. You think Ford, GM or Chrysler has paid theirs back yet? Nope. There's still a MASSIVE debt owed by the big three and based on current financials it doesn't look like we'll see that money back. Yet people are mad at Tesla for "Government subsidies" ROFL

Go get your used Honda Civic and then I will meet you somewhere. Drive both. Then tell me with a straight face how much better than Civic is. Comparing the batteries of an EV to an iPad proves how ignorant to this topic you are. The technology is entirely different. Model S's are already going over 400k miles on the factory battery pack under the worst conditions they can get which is charging to 100% via nothing but Superchargers. Early on they were concerned that you might not get 200-300k out of a battery pack. Now we have countless data points of cars going half a million miles of hard driving with less than 10% battery degradation. That's just crazy. So I can have a car with 350 miles range new and then by 500k miles I may have the unbelievable decision to replace my batteries because they now "only" get 315 miles of range? lol C'mon man, you're smarter than that.

Did I mention that the 2015 Model S we bought has an unlimited mileage battery warranty until 2023? That's the one we bought used too. Anything goes wrong and they replace it. That's a LOT of confidence to put in an "iPad battery" wouldn't you agree? That "huge expense" as you put it will not only come down in price by the time I even need to concern myself with it but I plan properly and put a little money away each month until then I can replace the battery pack twice by the time I need to. Same goes for any ICE vehicle you plan to put 500k miles on. Except you better put a LOT more money away for normal wear and tear items that these don't even have. Talk to me about timing belt changes, alternators, transmissions, clutches, and all of those other moving parts ICE cars need. Hell, people are getting 250k miles out of the brake pads and rotors thanks to regenerative braking! lol

You say that I'm pushing and pushing and all I'm doing is combating misinformation that gets spewed as fact. If I was having this conversation with open minded people it's a LOT different. Hell, just read back a few posts where I was talking to open minded people. Totally different conversation.

Face it, the "cool concept" is here to stay and in it's existing form (and improving monthly) it's an awesome option for most car owners.