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    Default Road Rage to Deadly Shooting: The Aubrey Bowlin Interview

    Didn't think I'd seen this posted here, but an interesting interview with a woman who used a gun to defend herself in a road rage incident. (a little NSFWish for language)

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    What really angers me is people in traffic saw this happening and did nothing. This is a reality all of us need to expect. No one is coming to save you. You are the only one responsible for your safety and security. I pray none of us ever have to face a deadly force encounter, but if you're smart - you'll train as if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    What really angers me is people in traffic saw this happening and did nothing.
    That bugged me too, but the truth is that if most folks saw some "guy" in leathers on a sport bike getting beat by a middle aged man, they would assume the biker deserved it (not saying that's a good thing, but its a thing).

    Of course seeing someone bashing someone's head (even with a helmet on) into a concrete barricade would probably get me to stop and draw on the basher and suggest he desist his shenanigans.
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    Great vid, thanks for posting. I remember when this happened.

    Guy was clearly in the wrong (stepped out of vehicle and put his hands on her) and intended to seriously hurt her. I'm guessing he wanted to remove her helmet so he could start punching her.

    On a bike you have to be super aware and it sounds like she was but then didn't change her behavior before the encounter and didn't use the advantage of the bike to get away from him. Once he got out, and she went kickstand down, her options were limited. She could have blasted the shoulder and been exits away from him the moment he opened the door. Of course she may not have known this would lead to a physical encounter either.

    Getting away from a rager to deescalate as a first step is always a good idea and would help should something go to trial.

    I have seen riders here in CO, in the passing/left lane, holding up traffic. Not 100% sure that was happening here but she said she was leaving a lot of room so she didn't have to work the gears. This isn't smart because it does lead to aggression and then it's you on two wheels vs car. I'm not saying that justifies his behavior, just that as a rider you are always going to lose a contest of mass, so I always try to avoid provoking one.

    I do think lane splitting should be legal when traffic is stopped and can be safely done. She mentions that a lot of other riders in WA do this which gets them out of stop/go traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    I have seen riders here in CO, in the passing/left lane, holding up traffic. Not 100% sure that was happening here but she said she was leaving a lot of room so she didn't have to work the gears. This isn't smart because it does lead to aggression and then it's you on two wheels vs car. I'm not saying that justifies his behavior, just that as a rider you are always going to lose a contest of mass, so I always try to avoid provoking one.
    People don't leave enough room as it is. I can't tell you the number of accidents I've seen on my commute in stop and go traffic because people are following too close. Calm down, people. You're all getting there at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattiooo View Post
    People don't leave enough room as it is. I can't tell you the number of accidents I've seen on my commute in stop and go traffic because people are following too close. Calm down, people. You're all getting there at the same time.
    As a rider you really shouldn't be leaving so much space that people think they're being held back. And if other cars are cutting in than the person behind you thinks he's been held back while you're not driving.

    All while you have a smaller visual footprint making it appear that there is more room than there is.

    The left lane is for passing, not for leaving enough space so you don't have to shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    As a rider you really shouldn't be leaving so much space that people think they're being held back. And if other cars are cutting in than the person behind you thinks he's been held back while you're not driving.
    Agree to disagree. You should be leaving exactly enough space as is required to stop safely. If people get lit about that, they have issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattiooo View Post
    Agree to disagree. You should be leaving exactly enough space as is required to stop safely. If people get lit about that, they have issues.
    Agree with the stopping distance.

    She said she was leaving enough space so she didn't have to shift. Totally different. Assuming the rager isn't a rider, all he sees is smaller vehicle holding him back in the fast lane, with a lot of space, while engine braking in stop/go traffic.

    Again, doesn't justify the assault and the rager is in clearly in the wrong. Just not a provocation I would start on a bike. There's nothing wrong with getting over if you want to ride that way.
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    It was stop & go traffic. It wasn't like everyone in front of her was going 65. That would be a different story. If the top speed of everyone on the road is under 10 mph, you should have plenty of time to stop for any vehicle in front of you.

    ***EDIT: If safely able to do so, she should've split the lane and just left him in the rear with his panties in a wad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    It was stop & go traffic. It wasn't like everyone in front of her was going 65. That would be a different story. If the top speed of everyone on the road is under 10 mph, you should have plenty of time to stop for any vehicle in front of you.

    ***EDIT: If safely able to do so, she should've split the lane and just left him in the rear with his panties in a wad.
    She said she doesn't like to lane split and I'm not sure it's legal in WA but she said everyone does it. I would have just blasted the shoulder and got back into traffic when safe.

    I can only assume from the interview, but when I hear a rider say they are leaving room to avoid a shift, I'm thinking she is disrupting the flow of caged traffic and thus he lost it. You let off the throttle on a bike, in 2-3 on most, and your engine brake is enough to require a hard brake in an SUV depending on the rager's following distance. He looks up and sees plenty of room and gets more aggressive.

    I leave extra room behind a bike for this reason. But I shit you not, 9 out of 10 times a car/truck/SUV will fill that gap completely unconcerned with the following distance. Again, use the bike to get away from that and stay safe!

    I want to be clear: Doesn't justify the assault one bit. He was 100% in the wrong for making this an altercation and won his prize.
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