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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    From what? Getting there 10 seconds earlier than he would've? It was already mentioned they were in grid lock traffic or stop & go at the least. She wasn't holding him back from anything. She was riding in a way where she was maximizing energy efficiency. Have you rode a motorcycle in grid lock traffic on the highway? I do...4 days a week. It sucks. Fortunately I don't have to shift on my bike. When I did have an R6, I would try to leave enough room to minimize having to constantly shift & work the clutch. If people get heated about that, that is their problem. If they get stupid like the guy in this situation did, they are likely to end up with the same result.
    The rager acted on what he perceived. He was probably tired of slamming on his brakes every time she got off the throttle while she left what he might have thought is too much room she left. I'm saying the same thing over again, but why ride that way in the left lane? Get over if you don't want to shift and maintain the flow of traffic.

    She is actually lucky he didn't use his vehicle as a weapon. Making her a skidmark would have been a traffic infraction, "I couldn't stop in time."

    There's a reason I don't act like "it's their problem" as you said. Laws of physics say they can make it my problem. And your CCW isn't going to help you in or after a TC on a bike.
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    It was stop & go traffic. It wasn't like everyone in front of her was going 65. That would be a different story. If the top speed of everyone on the road is under 10 mph, you should have plenty of time to stop for any vehicle in front of you.

    ***EDIT: If safely able to do so, she should've split the lane and just left him in the rear with his panties in a wad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    It was stop & go traffic. It wasn't like everyone in front of her was going 65. That would be a different story. If the top speed of everyone on the road is under 10 mph, you should have plenty of time to stop for any vehicle in front of you.

    ***EDIT: If safely able to do so, she should've split the lane and just left him in the rear with his panties in a wad.
    She said she doesn't like to lane split and I'm not sure it's legal in WA but she said everyone does it. I would have just blasted the shoulder and got back into traffic when safe.

    I can only assume from the interview, but when I hear a rider say they are leaving room to avoid a shift, I'm thinking she is disrupting the flow of caged traffic and thus he lost it. You let off the throttle on a bike, in 2-3 on most, and your engine brake is enough to require a hard brake in an SUV depending on the rager's following distance. He looks up and sees plenty of room and gets more aggressive.

    I leave extra room behind a bike for this reason. But I shit you not, 9 out of 10 times a car/truck/SUV will fill that gap completely unconcerned with the following distance. Again, use the bike to get away from that and stay safe!

    I want to be clear: Doesn't justify the assault one bit. He was 100% in the wrong for making this an altercation and won his prize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    She said she doesn't like to lane split and I'm not sure it's legal in WA but she said everyone does it. I would have just blasted the shoulder and got back into traffic when safe.

    I can only assume from the interview, but when I hear a rider say they are leaving room to avoid a shift, I'm thinking she is disrupting the flow of caged traffic and thus he lost it. You let off the throttle on a bike, in 2-3 on most, and your engine brake is enough to require a hard brake in an SUV depending on the rager's following distance. He looks up and sees plenty of room and gets more aggressive.

    I leave extra room behind a bike for this reason. But I shit you not, 9 out of 10 times a car/truck/SUV will fill that gap completely unconcerned with the following distance. Again, use the bike to get away from that and stay safe!

    I want to be clear: Doesn't justify the assault one bit. He was 100% in the wrong for making this an altercation and won his prize.
    100% agree. I do see a lot of bikers ride recklessly and as a rider it frustrates the crap outta me. Many bikers fail to understand the point you mentioned about being turned into a grease spot by an SUV. It's happened, I'm sure many of us have seen the videos. Car vs. bike, car wins 99% of the time. A lot of people ride like they are invincible. I lost a friend who had that mentality.

    It sounds like WA has a pretty serious road rage problem from what I've read. I'm glad this young lady is okay. One of the questions I had about this, was what was the suspect's wife doing the whole time this was going down? There really wasn't any mention of it.
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    Kinda unrelated but i really hate other riders sometimes. Had one in jtown on the main 45mph strip come rossi'ing around a turn just tearing it up, full orange race suit and all. Not that bad , i mean on my v1000 I spiritedly get up to speed+5 for sure. But comes on the tail of a close one.

    Amost got creamed going s bound on colorado a few weeks ago. I was a car length or two from a under limit minivan waiting for the passing markers.
    Van suddenly jukes right and im sorta tracking right with it, along comes shithead squid on his 600 of some kind overtaking traffic in his lane in a blind hill non passing lane, and instead of coming down the center hes a couple bike widths into mine. Way too close to a head on. Im not a traffic rager but if i thought i could get turned quick enough Id have ridden him down and probably some actions taken if not apologetic.
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    Yes, you will always lose on a bike. I've had too many close calls to count, don't ride much these days for various reasons. Very important to keep your head on a swivel and stay safe!

    The problem with ragers is they can pop up anywhere and surprise you. You might not have even known you did anything wrong! There is also an increasing amount of attitude on CO roads. But you can try to read other drivers and she read him before he got out of his car.

    This is why I just get over and stay out of the way unless I'm passing.

    I like seeing that helmet cams are becoming more popular.
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    My experience with riding in traffic is that if you leave adequate following distance(1 car length per 10 mph), some jackass will inevitably jam his f**king SUV in there without looking while f**king with his phone, before jamming on the brakes to narrowly avoid parking in the trunk of the car in front. Rinse and repeat every couple of hundred yards from 225 to 25 every morning. If I had a remote airbag activator, the highway would be littered with these idiots.
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