And CDOT screws the state again...

[Irving]

I only browsed through, will the selectable HOV pass work through there?

[BPTactical]

Any "retired" CDOT bigwigs find new jobs at the toll companies yet?

I know of 3 with the Northwest Parkway.
And 1 with the Feds.
Oh and 2 making cushy salaries with the company that supplies Magnesium Chloride and solid de-icer to CDOT.


This is the kind of shit with CDOT that made me retire 2 years early, I could no longer stand the management, the spineless way of conducting themselves and the hypocrisy.


$300 million in construction cost but ya cant fix the potholes, fences, pick up the trash or mow the right of way....

Fucking pussies.

[Martinjmpr]

So people bitch about traffic and insufficient roads.

Then the government says "sure we can fix the roads, we'll just need to raise your taxes to pay for it" and people bitch about having their taxes raised.

So the government then finds a private entity willing to build the roads without raising taxes by charging users, and people bitch about that.

I think I'm detecting a common denominator here....

So what's your choice: (1) crappy, crowded roads (i.e. the status quo), (2) higher taxes than we already pay or (3) toll roads?

Pick one.

[Wolfshoon]

So what's your choice: (1) crappy, crowded roads (i.e. the status quo), (2) higher taxes than we already pay or (3) toll roads?

Pick one.

No the irritation comes from the fact that we have all ready approved road improvement taxes in addition to the original taxes and the state is receiving record tax income (housing prices dictate tax rate on residential, it's done nothing but go up the last 8 years, I'm double from 2011 and that's separate from business taxes) and yet, somehow, the state needs even more $$$. Accountability needs to come first on ALL TAXES.

Don't get me started on private toll roads, E470 was supposed to public roadway with no fees back in 2015 or 2016 IIRC, that is the way the tax increase for it was sold to us back in the 1990's. Somehow, it got sold to private entities, (Dubai own part of it now, how is that possible?) and you still pay even though they received public tax money to build and run it. Same thing is happening with I36 tollway (express lane) going private and now this fiasco. Follow the money and who is getting it.

I remember a news broadcast a few years ago about some special needs program crying on Denver TV about how they were going to have to shut down because their money source was going away, turns out they were getting "road maintenance" tax money instead of it being spent on roads like the voters approved and somebody managed to do some oversight on it. This type of corruption is why the American tax payer is jaded.

[00tec]

Not to mention, part the deal hawking 36 off to another country is that NO roads can be build for a long time (50 years or so, if I remember correctly) that alleviate traffic from 36. The argument that it fixes crowded roads is moot.

[Irving]

Isn't that the same way they pay for stadiums?

[Martinjmpr]

Isn't that the same way they pay for stadiums?

I think you just hit on a brilliant scheme to pay for our roads: Sell the naming rights.

Instead of driving down C-470 you could be driving down the "Conoco Expressway." Instead of driving down I-70 you could be driving down the "Coors Light Freeway." I-25, in turn, could become the "Budweiser Freeway."

And if it would work with freeways, why not surface streets too?

"Here's how you get to my house: Take the Discount Tire freeway to exit 45. From there take Stay Free Maxi Pad Avenue West to 7-11 Big Gulp street. Turn right and go 3 blocks to Anthem Health Care Circle. My house number is 4724."

[Irving]

Might as well. Advertising already infiltrates every single part of our lives.

[roberth]

I think you just hit on a brilliant scheme to pay for our roads: Sell the naming rights.

Instead of driving down C-470 you could be driving down the "Conoco Expressway." Instead of driving down I-70 you could be driving down the "Coors Light Freeway." I-25, in turn, could become the "Budweiser Freeway."

And if it would work with freeways, why not surface streets too?

"Here's how you get to my house: Take the Discount Tire freeway to exit 45. From there take Stay Free Maxi Pad Avenue West to 7-11 Big Gulp street. Turn right and go 3 blocks to Anthem Health Care Circle. My house number is 4724."

So, no DUI enforcement on those roads?

[Gman]

I doubt any of those lanes are "money makers". For the millions spent to build them, it would take them being full for quite a while to break even. They don't get used that much because people will find another way.

I could take C-470 and it might take me 15 minutes....or an hour to get to work. I just take surface streets and get to work pretty reliably in about 20 minutes.