Tesla is having some big network issues

[Jer]

A lot of misinformation from the Tesla haters who'd rather not fact check before spreading FUD that's inaccurate. All Tesla's include a backup key of some sort that doesn't require any sort of network connectivity to unlock, start & drive the car... Nearly identical to your acclaimed proximity sensing key & push button starter... Only better. If anyone couldn't get into their car during this outage they're a fucking moron. Not sure how else to put that gently so I won't.

The constant hate from those who refuse to do independent research or *gasp* go for a ride in one or even drive one gets real old. Reminds me of trying to have an educated conversation with liberals about guns when all they want to do is FUD while investing zero time actually researching what they claim to know so much about.

I'm sure a lot of people in the early 1900's argued adamantly that ICE would never replace the tried & true horse drawn carriage or those who argued that telephones weren't as reliable as telegraphs or that computers would never replace the venerable library or.... I could go on but at some point I just need to recognize that some people just can't be swayed with facts, statistics or reality. For them the future is a lot like the past & that's just where some people are more comfortable.

[Irving]

Keep in mind that not everyone is the same age as you, and they may not have to embrace up and coming technology as hard. I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to buy and drive ICE vehicles for the rest of my life, but probably not with manual transmissions.

[Bailey Guns]

We're gonna get to the point where we have to call tech support in India for car trouble.

Me: "Yeah, hi. My car won't start."

Tech Support (with Indian accent): "OK, I see. Let's try this. Shut it off and turn it on again."

Me: "Uh...Is there someone in America I can talk to."

[68Charger]

Also gets old hearing people hype a product they don't even own...

The louder the BS on one side, the louder it'll get on the other.

[Gman]

If anyone couldn't get into their car during this outage they're a fucking moron. Not sure how else to put that gently so I won't.

That's precisely it. I know people who don't carry a wallet. They put EVERYTHING on their phone. They don't think about what happens when their phone dies, or breaks. Then you have nothing.

Trust, but verify.

I've had a career in technology for about 30 years now. I know that nothing is fool-proof. I also have a vehicle with all kinds of modern driver aids, so I'm totally aware of how the systems/sensors/software misinterpret the world.

One thing age can give you is wisdom. The understanding that when your context of the world and what's in it is limited, it's amazing what you don't understand. How many times have those of us that have lived better than half a century have heard something is "New!", "Never been done before!", etc., only to have lived at a time when that thing existed before. Just because you call it an SUV or CUV, that doesn't mean it's not a station wagon.

Those that accuse people of being naysayers because they're living in a bubble, need to get out of their own echo chamber. I've been following this story since before it was a story. There's a ton of information out there. Inform yourself.

Musk claims to be "expanding production to profitability". Where are his new assembly lines? China. You don't run a third of your production out of temporary structures as a plan. That's desperation. When the shine wears off of Tesla, there will be many unhappy people.....or maybe I'm wrong. Let's see what happens.

I'm still waiting on the flying cars from the '60s.

[DireWolf]

Even big players like AWS have significant issues... The kind of issues that cause global companies to lose their shit... And they have all the triple redundant, super duper overkill possible for their data centers and services.

To be fair, these types of issues (high-impact event, system/comms failure, etc.) nearly always stem from root-cause considerations related to ego and some combination of incompetence/overconfidence (even if we call it something more polite), manifested in various ways and deficiencies...Nearly. Always.

We're gonna get to the point where we have to call tech support in India for car trouble.

Me: "Yeah, hi. My car won't start."

Tech Support (with Indian accent): "OK, I see. Let's try this. Shut it off and turn it on again."

Me: "Uh...Is there someone in America I can talk to."

Made me think of this scene:

https://youtu.be/lbfV7EQpz_I

[Jer]

Keep in mind that not everyone is the same age as you, and they may not have to embrace up and coming technology as hard. I'm pretty confident that I'll be able to buy and drive ICE vehicles for the rest of my life, but probably not with manual transmissions.

Because I'm SO young. lol

Also gets old hearing people hype a product they don't even own...

The louder the BS on one side, the louder it'll get on the other.

I know you think the fact that I don't own one is somehow a Trump card & that's why you continually bring it up but it's pointless. I don't an Ed Brown custom 1911 so does that mean I can't comment that their solid especially when someone is spreading negative misinformation as if it were fact?

Who's on a "side" because all I'm doing is countering misinformation. Not sure why you feel the need to turn every conversation into an argument.

That's precisely it. I know people who don't carry a wallet. They put EVERYTHING on their phone. They don't think about what happens when their phone dies, or breaks. Then you have nothing.

Trust, but verify.

I've had a career in technology for about 30 years now. I know that nothing is fool-proof. I also have a vehicle with all kinds of modern driver aids, so I'm totally aware of how the systems/sensors/software misinterpret the world.

One thing age can give you is wisdom. The understanding that when your context of the world and what's in it is limited, it's amazing what you don't understand. How many times have those of us that have lived better than half a century have heard something is "New!", "Never been done before!", etc., only to have lived at a time when that thing existed before. Just because you call it an SUV or CUV, that doesn't mean it's not a station wagon.

Those that accuse people of being naysayers because they're living in a bubble, need to get out of their own echo chamber. I've been following this story since before it was a story. There's a ton of information out there. Inform yourself.

Musk claims to be "expanding production to profitability". Where are his new assembly lines? China. You don't run a third of your production out of temporary structures as a plan. That's desperation. When the shine wears off of Tesla, there will be many unhappy people.....or maybe I'm wrong. Let's see what happens.

I'm still waiting on the flying cars from the '60s.

So the people you know who put everything in their phone also put their current car key in their phone?

Teslas come with a fob or keycard that will do everything other cars do as far as lock/unlock/start/stop w/o needing a network. I said that but people seem to be missing that fact. If you left your key & fob at home would you blame Ford for not being able to get into your car? Then why are so many hating on Tesla for giving functionality exactly like your used to as a backup & then also giving you MORE functionality as a bonus?

Inform myself? Of what exactly? I'm disputing misinformation that's being presented as fact by people who clearly possess a limited amount of knowledge on the subject.

The irony of being told to inform myself by people who blindly parrot whatever the media pitches them w/o the slightest bit of fact checking is not lost on me.

We do have flying cars. They're called helicopters. lol

[68Charger]

That's precisely it. I know people who don't carry a wallet. They put EVERYTHING on their phone. They don't think about what happens when their phone dies, or breaks. Then you have nothing.

Trust, but verify.

I've had a career in technology for about 30 years now. I know that nothing is fool-proof. I also have a vehicle with all kinds of modern driver aids, so I'm totally aware of how the systems/sensors/software misinterpret the world.

One thing age can give you is wisdom. The understanding that when your context of the world and what's in it is limited, it's amazing what you don't understand. How many times have those of us that have lived better than half a century have heard something is "New!", "Never been done before!", etc., only to have lived at a time when that thing existed before. Just because you call it an SUV or CUV, that doesn't mean it's not a station wagon.

Those that accuse people of being naysayers because they're living in a bubble, need to get out of their own echo chamber. I've been following this story since before it was a story. There's a ton of information out there. Inform yourself.

Musk claims to be "expanding production to profitability". Where are his new assembly lines? China. You don't run a third of your production out of temporary structures as a plan. That's desperation. When the shine wears off of Tesla, there will be many unhappy people.....or maybe I'm wrong. Let's see what happens.

I'm still waiting on the flying cars from the '60s.

Well said... You've got me beat a few years on the tech career... but only a few.
And it's called confirmation bias- if you WANT it to be the answer to your dreams, you'll do everything you can to keep that dream alive, even if you can't buy one.

I'm a realist, I try to see the big picture- and believe there are 3 sides to every story- the proponents, the antagonists, and the truth. I've read about people that have been without their model S for 3 months because they were in an accident (not their fault), and Tesla doesn't make enough spare parts to fix their car. You pay what, $100k (before tax incentives... but also before sales tax, Title & License fees) to have it taken out by some asshole who's on their phone? Sure, that'll happen with other vehicles, but they have spare parts and can be back on the road much quicker. Sure, I've also read the rave reviews, people who can't stop talking about them- and then sometimes I find out they don't even own one.

I've read, I looked into it- with an open mind... and No Thanks. not anything I would want to spend even $49K (minus Tax credit, but plus TTL) on for a Model 3... or somewhere in the middle for a used Model S or X.

If I won the lottery, I'd really consider the new roadster- it's a very nice toy.
Eventually I'm sure something like them will be mainstream... I appreciate the technology, I just don't want to rely on it yet.

[izzy]

I want to be clear that everything I said stipulated that I have no idea how true what I've read is. I've actually driven a Tesla many times they're very cool cars. My major beef with Elon Musk is that he took billions of our tax dollars for his companies. I'm not cool with that at all.

[Jer]

Well said... You've got me beat a few years on the tech career... but only a few.
And it's called confirmation bias- if you WANT it to be the answer to your dreams, you'll do everything you can to keep that dream alive, even if you can't buy one.

I'm a realist, I try to see the big picture- and believe there are 3 sides to every story- the proponents, the antagonists, and the truth. I've read about people that have been without their model S for 3 months because they were in an accident (not their fault), and Tesla doesn't make enough spare parts to fix their car. You pay what, $100k (before tax incentives... but also before sales tax, Title & License fees) to have it taken out by some asshole who's on their phone? Sure, that'll happen with other vehicles, but they have spare parts and can be back on the road much quicker. Sure, I've also read the rave reviews, people who can't stop talking about them- and then sometimes I find out they don't even own one.

I've read, I looked into it- with an open mind... and No Thanks. not anything I would want to spend even $49K (minus Tax credit, but plus TTL) on for a Model 3... or somewhere in the middle for a used Model S or X.

If I won the lottery, I'd really consider the new roadster- it's a very nice toy.
Eventually I'm sure something like them will be mainstream... I appreciate the technology, I just don't want to rely on it yet.

Who says I can't buy one? Now you pretend to know my financial situation too?

Funny you've read about people being w/o their cars for months because I have too only it was people who had mailed out cars & trucks of various makes & models who couldn't find a shop w/o months of lead time. So? Hell, our car right now was MUCH cheaper than a Tesla & currently has an open recall for an airbag issue that not only do they not have a fix for but it's likely going to be months until they do. What's your point?

I'm not spending $50k or $100k on a new car either. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in paying a fraction of that for a clean used one if the right deal came along. I'm just not getting a car payment for one nor am I taking the new car depreciation hit for ANY new car.

That new roadster is insane but until a regular Joe can buy one it's vaporware. Just like the Model 3 was & the S before that. Each time though we were promised something that seemed impossible & each time we were made to eat our words so I'm done doubting Tesla. I think that Roadster is everything they say it's going to be.

Nobody is saying you have to rely on squat just stop hating on them & spreading false information. Just be content to watch how the play unfolds from the sideline.

I want to be clear that everything I said stipulated that I have no idea how true what I've read is. I've actually driven a Tesla many times they're very cool cars. My major beef with Elon Musk is that he took billions of our tax dollars for his companies. I'm not cool with that at all.

What's that you said about confirmation bias 68Charger?