Chicago is in such a state of decay...

[BushMasterBoy]

This ain't really suitable for work. Guy throws another off a bridge into the ocean. Supposedly the guy thrown off bridge suffered a nasty cut on the eyebrow.

[TheGrey]

From that article:


This may rub some the wrong way (and without any real details, this could possibly be an incorrect perspective), but - based on some of the behavior I've seen, even recently, during the occasional (very infrequent) outings down there, I tend to believe there is a VERY high likelihood that said "security guard" may have deliberately instigated/escalated the issue and got exactly what was coming to them...

Requiring properly trained/certified employees for security staff would be a very good move in the right direction.

Well holy jumping to conclusions, Batman. That's a hell of a lot of stew you're making from one oyster. And a really offensive stew it is, too.

Here's a follow up. Yeah, you're right. He probably instigated it, doing his job instead of letting the thug do whatever to everyone else. Harshing everyone's buzz. Getting into a physical altercation and everything. Who did he think he was, some glorified bouncer? He got EXACTLY what he deserved, right?

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...aughter-family

DENVER -- Police are asking for the public's help to find the person who shot and killed a security officer in downtown Denver early Friday morning. Lucardio (Luke) Kroener, 28, was working in the area when the shooting occurred near the intersection of 14th and Market Streets in LoDo.

DPD released the Crime Alert below describing the events that occurred and a description of the suspect involved.

Kroener leaves behind a young daughter, girlfriend and family. His sister, Liz Rado, shared the statement below with Denver7 remembering her brother.

“Luke was an amazing father always playing with his baby girl. He would dance with her in the middle of the street, he would watch My Little Pony with her for hours with her. They loved pizza. They could eat pizza all day long. Emma was his life, he would do anything for her. He would give the world for her. That was her daddy, her daddy Luke. He was getting ready to start in the police academy and worked hard to give the world for his daughter, now she is going to grow up without her daddy. He will miss seeing her grow and Esmeralda is left without a partner in life. My mother is left without a son, we are left without a brother, an uncle, a nephew and we will miss Luke for the rest of our lives.”

There is a GoFundMe page setup to support the family.

[DireWolf]

Well holy jumping to conclusions, Batman. That's a hell of a lot of stew you're making from one oyster. And a really offensive stew it is, too.

Here's a follow up. Yeah, you're right. He probably instigated it, doing his job instead of letting the thug do whatever to everyone else. Harshing everyone's buzz. Getting into a physical altercation and everything. Who did he think he was, some glorified bouncer? He got EXACTLY what he deserved, right?

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...aughter-family

DENVER -- Police are asking for the public's help to find the person who shot and killed a security officer in downtown Denver early Friday morning. Lucardio (Luke) Kroener, 28, was working in the area when the shooting occurred near the intersection of 14th and Market Streets in LoDo.

DPD released the Crime Alert below describing the events that occurred and a description of the suspect involved.

Kroener leaves behind a young daughter, girlfriend and family. His sister, Liz Rado, shared the statement below with Denver7 remembering her brother.

“Luke was an amazing father always playing with his baby girl. He would dance with her in the middle of the street, he would watch My Little Pony with her for hours with her. They loved pizza. They could eat pizza all day long. Emma was his life, he would do anything for her. He would give the world for her. That was her daddy, her daddy Luke. He was getting ready to start in the police academy and worked hard to give the world for his daughter, now she is going to grow up without her daddy. He will miss seeing her grow and Esmeralda is left without a partner in life. My mother is left without a son, we are left without a brother, an uncle, a nephew and we will miss Luke for the rest of our lives.”

There is a GoFundMe page setup to support the family.

Like I said, I knew that would rub some the wrong way, but I call things like I see them, and initial inferences based on likelihood given observable patterns is completely legit as a starting point.

To be clear, (and I stated that there may indeed have been circumstances which would alter my opinion in that 'specific' instance), I have NO issue with people doing their job (particularly anyone in a safety/security related role), and while I have way too much integrity and self control to ever allow myself to get pulled into those types of situations while out-on-the-town (regardless of provocation), I have directly observed behavior on the part of "honest bouncers/security just doing their job" that would get them instantly beat down, or worse, in nearly ANY other setting where not surrounded by a bunch of other security personnel, cameras, and LEO...

Maybe in this case it was a person of integrity and sound mind that performed his job to the best of his ability, and was an unfortunate victim of senseless violence. If so, then I have nothing but sympathy for him and his family.

That said, It's also possible he was a semi-legitemized thug who was eager (or at best indifferent) to start shit knowing that his bros and any nearby LEO would preclude the possibility of any real ramifications from his actions. I don't spend much time in that area of late, but I have witnessed this exact type of situation/behavior on multiple occasions, both locally and elsewhere, and lack of any real vetting/qualifications beyond just "looking like a tough guy" (as stated in the article in question) is absolutely a potential contributor to these types of extreme situations; Even if this is only true in small percentage of instances, the number of bad apples is likely high enough to be statistically relevant.

ETA: Given the threat modeling, risk avoidance/mitigation/acceptance, and incident/crisis response aspects of my day job, there have been numerous instances where I have been forced to recommend termination/seperation of specific personnel due to their unfitness for the role they were in.

It's never personal, but always based upon observations, behavioral patterns, and quantification of event/outcome probabilities given those considerations.

Once again, with very limited information related to this event (as has been called out), my original comments were based simply on prior observations and potential likelihoods given those observations, particularly as related to "nightclub/bar" security/bouncers (these specific perspectives/observations don't apply outside of that context). Nothing personal, and hopefully that wasn't the case in this instance, but have seen too many times to ignore the possibility. If they did if fact initiate/escalate the issue unnecessarily, then no sympathy whatsoever.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

[Aloha_Shooter]

Wish I could say I was surprised or that it mattered much to me but Chicago is such a s---thole that the only thing that matters to me is how far I can stay away from it.

[Gman]

Another Democrat-run oasis.

For regularly updated Chicago statistics - https://heyjackass.com/

[rondog]

This ain't really suitable for work. Guy throws another off a bridge into the ocean. Supposedly the guy thrown off bridge suffered a nasty cut on the eyebrow.

Shoulda stood on his neck until he stopped yapping.

[BlasterBob]

14th and Market?
That was a dangerous area and skid-row when I was growing up in the 50's & 60's.
No one went there after dark. It wasn't shootings then, I admit, but beatings and stabbings.
Nope, no gun violence here.

When I lived in Chicago back in the late 50’s, the nastiest area was 35th and State. Also the Cabrini Green Project.

[BushMasterBoy]

I heard Chicago is worse than Wakanda.

[ben4372]

Chicago doesn't have much vibrainium.

[Squeeze]

Well holy jumping to conclusions, Batman. That's a hell of a lot of stew you're making from one oyster. And a really offensive stew it is, too.

Here's a follow up. Yeah, you're right. He probably instigated it, doing his job instead of letting the thug do whatever to everyone else. Harshing everyone's buzz. Getting into a physical altercation and everything. Who did he think he was, some glorified bouncer? He got EXACTLY what he deserved, right?

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...aughter-family

DENVER -- Police are asking for the public's help to find the person who shot and killed a security officer in downtown Denver early Friday morning. Lucardio (Luke) Kroener, 28, was working in the area when the shooting occurred near the intersection of 14th and Market Streets in LoDo.

DPD released the Crime Alert below describing the events that occurred and a description of the suspect involved.

Kroener leaves behind a young daughter, girlfriend and family. His sister, Liz Rado, shared the statement below with Denver7 remembering her brother.

“Luke was an amazing father always playing with his baby girl. He would dance with her in the middle of the street, he would watch My Little Pony with her for hours with her. They loved pizza. They could eat pizza all day long. Emma was his life, he would do anything for her. He would give the world for her. That was her daddy, her daddy Luke. He was getting ready to start in the police academy and worked hard to give the world for his daughter, now she is going to grow up without her daddy. He will miss seeing her grow and Esmeralda is left without a partner in life. My mother is left without a son, we are left without a brother, an uncle, a nephew and we will miss Luke for the rest of our lives.”

There is a GoFundMe page setup to support the family.

I agree 100% with everything you stated Grey. For someone here to believe a law-abiding citizen who was killed while working as a security officer got "exactly what they deserved" is completely disgusting. Regardless of that person's life experience, it is absolutely BS to make a statement like that. Unless you were standing directly next to the incident from start to finish, people should keep statements like that to themselves.