Support for Refenda Y an Z

[roberth]

https://mailchi.mp/cologop/vote-yes-...s?e=521c4b8309

I had previously thought I was going to vote NO on this, I may have to change my mind.

As conservatives, Republicans, and freedom-loving Coloradans from across the great state of Colorado, we urge you to join us in changing this system that empowers a single judge once and for all.

It is no secret that the communists shop for judges who will do their bidding, drawing legislative and congressional maps in Colorado in just one example. +

• The commissions would be balanced, with four Republicans, four Democrats and four Unaffiliated voters subject to a rigorous application process, vetting, and random selection.
• Passage of any map would require a supermajority vote (eight of 12), including the affirmative vote of at least two Unaffiliated commissioners.
• Maps would be drawn by nonpartisan, Legislative Council staff instead of political partisans.
• Map-drawers would be required to comply with fair and neutral criteria, including avoiding splitting counties, cities, and communities of interest; maximizing compactness; and, where possible without violating the other criteria, drawing competitive districts that either party can win. This is critical ? it ensures that rural communities cannot be sliced and diced to dilute their voting strength or to reduce their ability to choose their own representation.
• The commission and its staff would be subject to transparency, including public hearings, open meetings and open records laws, and a stipulation that no map can be adopted until 72 hours after it has been introduced or amended, whichever occurs later, without unanimous consent of the commission.
• Gerrymandering would be banned once and for all.

[CS1983]

I got the mailout. I need to read it. My concern is causing R to flip to D by a simple boundary re-draw. If they can split opposing forces such that they can rout the republicans, I fear they'd do it.

[Zundfolge]

I'm leaning toward them because I think they'll be slightly better than the partisan political system we have now (and Dems are clearly going to be fully in control of it for the next census). That said I don't think this is a panacea and really the best solution is to have a computer draw the lines using an algorithm designed to make the districts the closest to a circle or square as possible.

[asystejs]

How about getting rid of districts completely ?

Everyone picks 2 senators from the list of choices
Everyone picks <n> representatives from the list of choices

[beast556]

How about getting rid of districts completely ?

Everyone picks 2 senators from the list of choices
Everyone picks <n> representatives from the list of choices

This is how it should be.

[Skip]

How about getting rid of districts completely ?

Everyone picks 2 senators from the list of choices
Everyone picks <n> representatives from the list of choices

It's a good idea but after the 17th Amendment, this would duplicate the popular election of Senators.

The idea of the House was direct citizen representation which is why the districting is local. The Senate was supposed to be equalized state representation.

Had the Senate remained state representation, this idea would make complete sense to me. I'd have to think about what that means in terms of the battle lines being drawn in Colorado; rural vs Denver/Boulder. But it's not a bad idea.

It's only because we have bastardized the Constitution that we are led down a path of bad and worse options.

[roberth]

Chuck and Julie were talking about this today. They had the (R) leader from Adams county commenting on it, they advocated a NO vote partially based on my original decision to vote NO.

The communists will just stack the commission with their fellow travelers. Anyone who thinks the "Independents" that will be on this panel are going to be unbaised is probably smoking dope, "Independents" are usually leftists who just don't register as (D).

[CS1983]

The way I see it is, if an issue looks like it will actually be good for conservatives then somewhere, somehow, a Democrat is rubbing his hands together with a smirk.

Do we expect Republicans to always follow party lines? I don't. The Dems sure will. The Indies will follow D lines a lot.

I just don't trust this to not blow up in our faces.

[Circuits]

This is how it should be.

So a simple majority wins every time? That's not a government, that's a mob.

[Grant H.]

So a simple majority wins every time? That's not a government, that's a mob.

I don't think Beast is lobbying for Mob Rule, but that is certainly what the left wants.

The electoral college, and districts, make a big difference!

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As an aside....

What happened to the reply with the list of donors for these amendments? Why'd that get pulled?