Frangible or reduced penetration bullets for .300 BO?

[ChickNorris]

Good. Glad I remembered seeing it.

Sean & Rob @ Bowers Tactical did all the work though.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'd go with one of these products and load what ever had the better ballistics / expansion at close distance. Depending on how many rooms you need to shield, the cost could be as low as $2000. Small price to pay for peace of mind.

Especially when you factor in IF..you were forced to defend family by use of a firearm. The odds of the opposing team using frangible ammo is less than zero.

https://www.interbank-equipment.com/...nt-Panels.aspx

https://fortifiedestate.com/walls/ke...listic-panels/

https://www.armorcore.com/applications/commercial/


A kid in the old neighborhood worked for a ballistic gear company. He came over with a 4x8 sheet similar to one of the above products. I was impressed with the durability of it under small arms fire @ distances near & far. I heard some small pieces were used in an indoor area as insurance against items not entering an X-ring trap. Hypothetically.

[Tim K]

That's an interesting idea. I wish I'd thought about all this a few years ago when I remodeled both kids' bedrooms. It would have been super simple then. Not so easy now...

A days worth of research has revealed that there is no Ammo that will be stopped by an interior wall that is considered lethal. Even Glaser Safety Slugs penetrate 3-4 walls (8 layers of drywall). Rubber bullets would be safe, and have the potential to be lethal, but that course seems as dangerous to the overall safety of the family as just using proper defensive Ammo.

I'm probably going to have to rely on having the bad guy stop the bullets. Shot placement and situational awareness are going to have to be good enough.

[CS1983]

What about psychological warfare?

Just make a creepy recording that you can broadcast throughout the house with reverb, a modulated voice, the lamentations of children in the background, etc.

Script:

"I see you have entered the fun house. Thank you, it's been 3 years since someone opted to play my game. This house seems like a normal house from the outside, and even seems normal from the inside. But you must know I'm an engineer that specializes in decorative obfuscation. Trap doors. Spikes. Flame throwers. My favorite part is the hidden room with 100% soundproofing for if you make it through the obstacles. Since I only want to play with mice who want to be caught, you have 30 seconds to exit the way you entered. 31 seconds is consent and I will activate all stations. ... oh, how well do you hold your breath, and what's your opinion of east German techno as a beat to die to? *techno music starts with slowly increasing volume...*"

Or yeah, just know your target and don't mag dump.

[Great-Kazoo]

That's an interesting idea. I wish I'd thought about all this a few years ago when I remodeled both kids' bedrooms. It would have been super simple then. Not so easy now...

A days worth of research has revealed that there is no Ammo that will be stopped by an interior wall that is considered lethal. Even Glaser Safety Slugs penetrate 3-4 walls (8 layers of drywall). Rubber bullets would be safe, and have the potential to be lethal, but that course seems as dangerous to the overall safety of the family as just using proper defensive Ammo.

I'm probably going to have to rely on having the bad guy stop the bullets. Shot placement and situational awareness are going to have to be good enough.

The only thing rubber bullets do is open you up to a lawsuit. A few deterrents


3-4" screws replacing the ones currently in the deadbolt and doorknob strike plate.

Outside lights Always on at night. We use photoelectric units to turn them off as daylight approaches. On with dusk, this way no one forgets to turn on or off.

Solar powered motion sensor lights around the property, usually on out buildings and or areas that are darkest where one could walk. The best ones we've found so far are at costco.

Gates at entrance areas if property fenced

A big one a lot of people may not have. Storm/screen doors (good ones) that provide a primary barrier one has to access before attempting to enter the home.

Bushes outside main level areas that prevent one from climbing in, yet ability to escape if a fire happened.

ALSO... CLOSE those @#$%^&* garage doors! (that's for everyone who leaves them open) not necessarily you.

This one is more a personal opinion than not.

Shit can those sliding glass doors. It's the easiest access point to ones home. IF you insist keeping them, obstacles outside that area which one would have to navigate while making noise to enter the home. This is also an area where one would have not only a dedicated light on at night. But a solar motion sensor light that would kick on providing more illumination.

I don't play a lawyer or pretend to be one. However i can tell without a doubt tell you how to minimize an opponents access to your home.

[ChickNorris]

What about psychological warfare?

[Snip]

... oh, how well do you hold your breath, and what's your opinion of east German techno as a beat to die to? *techno music starts with slowly increasing volume...*"

No no no, not east German. Belgian. Lords of Acid. Voodoo-u.

[Great-Kazoo]

No no no, not east German. Belgian. Lords of Acid. Voodoo-u.

Lightweight.

You start off with Wendi O. Williams and the plasmatics, then ramp it up from there.

[CS1983]

Lightweight.

You start off with Wendi O. Williams and the plasmatics, then ramp it up from there.

Doesn't Tim have kids in the house? If not, I'd say to just blast GG Allin.

[DireWolf]

This thread got me thinking yesterday, and after a bit of background processing, came up with a couple ideas that I think are worth trying...

Worst case, I'll be out a couple hundred bucks (assuming I don't need to order any moulds made from HT 17-4ph or similar, etc.) but totally worth the effort if I can get something to work as hypothesized, and planning to order some project supplies this weekend.

It seems like available 'frangible' ammo is designed for safety (anti-spall, etc.) against steel targets at close range, hence the over penetration issues.

Normally would keep this to myself until after I've done some testing (but not in the bullet-making business, so would just as soon buy vs. build if available), but going to try producing some projectiles (thinking RNFP) using a powder/polymer coated and highly compressed W powder, to be used w/ gas check.

Just a hypothesis at this point, but thinking that a high-mass, high-velocity projectile which disintegrates (back into powdered-form) immediately upon initial impact may be possible...

What about psychological warfare?

Just make a creepy recording that you can broadcast throughout the house with reverb, a modulated voice, the lamentations of children in the background, etc.

Script:

"I see you have entered the fun house. Thank you, it's been 3 years since someone opted to play my game. This house seems like a normal house from the outside, and even seems normal from the inside. But you must know I'm an engineer that specializes in decorative obfuscation. Trap doors. Spikes. Flame throwers. My favorite part is the hidden room with 100% soundproofing for if you make it through the obstacles. Since I only want to play with mice who want to be caught, you have 30 seconds to exit the way you entered. 31 seconds is consent and I will activate all stations. ... oh, how well do you hold your breath, and what's your opinion of east German techno as a beat to die to? *techno music starts with slowly increasing volume...*"

Or yeah, just know your target and don't mag dump.

Why just go for the scare factor?

One of the in-progress "hobby projects" I've been tinkering with for a little while now is related to multi-layer/multi-stage (less-lethal, non-firearm-based), automated (AI/Scenario-driven), semi-mobile, home defense systems. Still early stage, and need to do more legal reasearch, but current thinking is that active AI-driven kinetic/acoustic deterrence is achievable without breaking the bank or violating any legal prohibitions...

[ChickNorris]

Sure hope TimK was done with the thread....