And this is how it ends...

[Irving]

Some of the Voting minimum standards I could support:
High School diploma or better
Ability to read/write
Be a citizen
Valid I.D.
Be 21 or older
Pass a Citizenship test
Tax payer
Gainfully employed
No convictions
Never committed to a mental institution
Pass a drug test
If a parent, be married to the mother/father and have a stable home life.

There was a time in my life when I had suggested a list similar to this. Life experience has taught me otherwise.

[Bailey Guns]

Some of the Voting minimum standards I could support:
High School diploma or better
Ability to read/write
Be a citizen
Valid I.D.
Be 21 or older
Pass a Citizenship test
Tax payer
Gainfully employed
No convictions
Never committed to a mental institution
Pass a drug test
If a parent, be married to the mother/father and have a stable home life.

I'm curious if you would apply a similar set of "standards" to any of the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights? Should free speech, religious freedom, or freedom of assembly have a similar set of restrictions? If not, why not? Should we apply these "standards" to persons accused of a crime who need legal defense? "Sorry...no lawyer for you because you're not 21 or over and you're a student not gainfully employed. Suck it up, buttercup."

What if you got a ticket for No Proof of Insurance (a misdemeanor) and a court found you guilty? You're OK with your "right" to vote being taken away?

[Delfuego]

Some of the Voting minimum standards I could support:
High School diploma or better
Ability to read/write
Be a citizen
Valid I.D.
Be 21 or older
Pass a Citizenship test
Tax payer
Gainfully employed
No convictions
Never committed to a mental institution
Pass a drug test
If a parent, be married to the mother/father and have a stable home life.

Sweet. Lots of the mouth-breathers shopping at walmart meet this criteria. You ever pass a "Citizenship Test" or were you just born here? You would still bitch that "these people" that passed your little test didn't vote the way you wanted them to vote.

I don't think voting in the US works anymore. 2 party system is BS. Too many fringe fanatics on both sides. All our politicians represent is their own ego and wealth. French Revolution anyone?

[Irving]

If we had ever closed the door to who could vote, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now as not a single one of us would be allowed to vote.

[Bailey Guns]

So, under Joe's criteria, a person who is physically disabled and can't work, even though they meet all the other criteria, would not be allowed to vote. And we're gonna put the .gov into the business or regulating a person's home/family life and tell us what is and isn't acceptable behavior.

There's a whole lot of disabled vets that wouldn't be able to vote if Joe was in charge. Isn't that ironic?

The reality is there's nothing wrong with the rules we have now. The problem is there are so many people who don't want to follow the rules.

[Joe_K]

So, under Joe's criteria, a person who is physically disabled and can't work, even though they meet all the other criteria, would not be allowed to vote. And we're gonna put the .gov into the business or regulating a person's home/family life and tell us what is and isn't acceptable behavior.

There's a whole lot of disabled vets that wouldn't be able to vote if Joe was in charge. Isn't that ironic?

The reality is there's nothing wrong with the rules we have now. The problem is there are so many people who don't want to follow the rules.

Like any system there would be gaps. The point was to limit decision making to people that are upstanding, productive citizens. With the points you?ve brought up it would also seem retirees/the elderly would be ineligible as well. I?d be willing to give the gainfully employed criteria up if I could get any 4-5 of the others enacted.

Do we want the unemployed, 20 year old Mom?s basement dwelling, mentally disturbed, meth addicted, in and out of jail bird, father of 3 children by 3 women deadbeat dad to vote?


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[Great-Kazoo]

Like any system there would be gaps. The point was to limit decision making to people that are upstanding, productive citizens. With the points you?ve brought up it would also seem retirees/the elderly would be ineligible as well. I?d be willing to give the gainfully employed criteria up if I could get any 4-5 of the others enacted.

Do we want the unemployed, 20 year old Mom?s basement dwelling, mentally disturbed, meth addicted, in and out of jail bird, father of 3 children by 3 women deadbeat dad to vote?


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Since you're in the 30 and under age group where do you fall in this manifesto?

I personally don't want an under 40 emotionally fixated Tier 1 AR or nothing person to vote. See, it works both ways.

Now to suggest an unemployed , disabled person would not be eligible.
Which one of us will be going to the VA to tell those disabled vets. Sorry You lost your right to vote?


U.S, Citizen, Or naturalized one.

VALID State issued I.D

18 yrs old. If we're old enough to go to war. We're old enough to vote.
Which BTW: is one of them main ideas behind actually getting the under 21 yr old voting rights. Back before your time.

[Joe_K]

Since you're in the 30 and under age group where do you fall in this manifesto?

I personally don't want an under 40 emotionally fixated Tier 1 AR or nothing person to vote. See, it works both ways.

Now to suggest an unemployed , disabled person would not be eligible.
Which one of us will be going to the VA to tell those disabled vets. Sorry You lost your right to vote?


U.S, Citizen, Or naturalized one.

VALID State issued I.D

18 yrs old. If we're old enough to go to war. We're old enough to vote.
Which BTW: is one of them main ideas behind actually getting the under 21 yr old voting rights. Back before your time.

I never suggested that disabled people should not be allowed to vote, I?ve met very few disabled people in my life that were unable to work at all and in hindsight stated that disallowing people that are unemployed/unable to work/between jobs shouldn?t be a disqualification to vote. Thanks for enlightening me with your insight and life experience.

I?m fine moving the Selective Service age up to 21, and still allow folks 17-20 volunteer.

P.S. I?m not sure what emotionally fixated means,I?ll have something new to check out at the public library using the Dewey Decimal system.




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[Great-Kazoo]

Some of the Voting minimum standards I could support:
High School diploma or better
Ability to read/write
Be a citizen
Valid I.D.
Be 21 or older
Pass a Citizenship test
Tax payer
Gainfully employed
No convictions
Never committed to a mental institution
Pass a drug test
If a parent, be married to the mother/father and have a stable home life.







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I never suggested that disabled people should not be allowed to vote, I?ve met very few disabled people in my life that were unable to work at all and in hindsight stated that disallowing people that are unemployed/unable to work/between jobs shouldn?t be a disqualification to vote. Thanks for enlightening me with your insight and life experience.

I?m fine moving the Selective Service age up to 21, and still allow folks 17-20 volunteer.

P.S. I?m not sure what emotionally fixated means,I?ll have something new to check out at the public library using the Dewey Decimal system.




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If you're fine moving the selected service age to 21. Then you must agree those under 21 are not mature or responsible enough to buy a firearm?

[Scanker19]

Do we want the unemployed, 20 year old Mom?s basement dwelling, mentally disturbed, meth addicted, in and out of jail bird, father of 3 children by 3 women deadbeat dad to vote?


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Yes. Yes, I do.

edit: that might be the most elitist, holier than thou, bullshit I’ve read in a long time.