And this is how it ends...

[brutal]

Why isn't property ownership enough?

And I'm talking title (that word has historical meaning), not renting a house from the bank.

If a person is mature and capable enough at age 16 to own real estate, it makes him a net a taxpayer, and he should be able to vote. Some folks will be renters their entire lives = no vote.

You mean like a plantation owner?

[Joe_K]

Some people will hold that they support the Second Amendment as it was written, ratified, and intended in the 18th and 19th Century.

I do as well. Along with much of what the founders set into law post Our War for Independence. I am more of an originalist when it comes to our system of government and constitution.

There have been a few positive constitutional amendments since 1789, but several have been enacted and then interpreted to be things that may have served a fantastic ideal, but has proven to not have worked out as well as had been hoped.

And before anyone brings up the accusations, no, I?m not racist, no, I do not think slavery was ever morally acceptable, yes I support women?s suffrage, no, I don?t think the civil war being fought was a net value to our Republic.

Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ were all way worse for our form of government than Bush, Clinton, Bush, or Obama combined.

Firemoth is right, we stopped being a real Republic a long time ago. Democracy is rotten to the core, fairness is a lie and is a poor excuse for dealing with the problems we face as a nation today.



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[Skip]

You mean like a plantation owner?

No.

Having full title to real estate.

[Scanker19]

Do we want the unemployed, 20 year old Mom?s basement dwelling, mentally disturbed, meth addicted, in and out of jail bird, father of 3 children by 3 women deadbeat dad to vote?


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Yes. Yes, I do.

edit: that might be the most elitist, holier than thou, bullshit I’ve read in a long time.

[hurley842002]

edit: that might be the most elitist, holier than thou, bullshit I?ve read in a long time.

Doesn't surprise me after the BCA thread and a few others.

[Joe_K]

Yes. Yes, I do.

edit: that might be the most elitist, holier than thou, bullshit I?ve read in a long time.

Why?


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[Bailey Guns]

Some of the Voting minimum standards I could support:
High School diploma or better
Ability to read/write
Be a citizen
Valid I.D.
Be 21 or older
Pass a Citizenship test
Tax payer
Gainfully employed
No convictions
Never committed to a mental institution
Pass a drug test
If a parent, be married to the mother/father and have a stable home life.

I'm curious if you would apply a similar set of "standards" to any of the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights? Should free speech, religious freedom, or freedom of assembly have a similar set of restrictions? If not, why not? Should we apply these "standards" to persons accused of a crime who need legal defense? "Sorry...no lawyer for you because you're not 21 or over and you're a student not gainfully employed. Suck it up, buttercup."

What if you got a ticket for No Proof of Insurance (a misdemeanor) and a court found you guilty? You're OK with your "right" to vote being taken away?

[Bailey Guns]

I'd also be very careful about asking for further government intrusion into your life. Specifically, passing a citizenship test. What are you going to do when some committee of government bureaucrats sits down and comes up with a test you can't pass? That's very similar to people who are so-called "pro-gun" people but who think the government should institute stricter training standards and recurring qualification for concealed carry permits.

Several things on your list of standards are going to require a massive amount of government bureaucracy to institute and manage...drug testing, citizenship testing, background checks, in home visits to determine a "stable" home life (good luck with that...especially as a gun owner who likes AR-15 rifles and posts on gun forums), literacy testing, etc... The last thing we need is more government interference in our lives.

You need to really think some of these things thru...not because any of this will really come to pass, but because if the government can restrict voting they can restrict anything else. Of course, it'll be for safety, security, the children, etc...and if you haven't really thought it thru then you probably really need to be careful what you wish for.

[Irving]

Joe, you might as well pledge allegiance to the crown. You're supporting the views of people who would like to prevent YOU from voting, you just don't realize it yet.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yes. Yes, I do.

edit: that might be the most elitist, holier than thou, bullshit I’ve read in a long time.

Hey dood. I played the elitist card a few post before you He's under 30 and ready to restrict rights, raise voting age, along with gun restrictions. etc.