Banning plastic straws is next

[Great-Kazoo]

OK for those too young, or old enough to forget. Here's the deal on plastic straws, bags, etc.

The environmentalist in their efforts to stop deforestation in the PNW looked for things / ways to offset the demand for paper products. Hence Plastic bags, straws, placemats etc.

NOW........... the same people concerned about the plastic waste, want everyone to go back to more eco friendly products (PAPER). See the mental masturbation logic process of the feels folks.

[Irving]

They want to ban plastic straws because of the environment yet they want to hand out plastic syringes to junkies like they're going out of style.

That's funny because it's true, which also makes it sad.

[brutal]

They want to ban plastic straws because of the environment yet they want to hand out plastic syringes to junkies like they're going out of style.

OK for those too young, or old enough to forget. Here's the deal on plastic straws, bags, etc.

The environmentalist in their efforts to stop deforestation in the PNW looked for things / ways to offset the demand for paper products. Hence Plastic bags, straws, placemats etc.

NOW........... the same people concerned about the plastic waste, want everyone to go back to more eco friendly products (PAPER). See the mental masturbation logic process of the feels folks.

Liberal logic 101

[roberth]

Thank you Kazoo

[avandelay]

It just boggles my mind that this legislature seems to be doing anything other than addressing the problems facing this state. Instead of addressing the infrastructure they go after feel good social programs and banning straws. Instead of working within the bounds of TABOR they look for any loophole or fee to increase already increasing revenue, or keep the excesses for their pet projects other than infrastructure. I used to think that term limits are a good thing to battle stuff like this, but the new D leadership, much like the old D leadership, seems to have the same multi-state playbook to ban straws, promote late term abortion (sort of blows the rape/incest reason out the window) and spend the state coffers on anything but infrastructure, then claim to need more taxes to address the issues they ignored (and spend that on something else anyway). I wish the R's had a similar playbook to fall back on, but they don't and I doubt the Rs will ever have the house again because of the majority of the house districts are around Denver and Boulder.

[CS1983]

They?ll pry my plastic straw from my cool, refreshed lips.

[ChickNorris]

^^^^ hehehe

[Eric P]

It really seems like more effort to find ways to effectively recycle plastic would be better than the effort to ban it.

We were asked by a state legislator if we could incorporate recycled plastics into concrete and asphalt. The simple answer is yes we could, but the realistic answer is no. If you grind plastics to beach sand size and consistency, you could substitute it for up to 10 percent of the sand used in concrete without worrying about strength and durability. But add anymore, you would have to which devil is worse. Lowed strength can be offset with more cement, but cement production is the number one industrial CO2 source. Then you have to look at the storage and production cost of plastic sand. Plastic sand is 20 times more expensive than natural sand and about as expensive as cement (which is the most expensive component). Then since plastic doesn't bond with concrete, as a roadway is worn away, that fine plastic is liberated and free to wash away into the drains into waterways. And how would one need to store plastic sand at a concrete plant? You couldn't store it in open bins like real sand, as it would blow or wash away. Concrete suppliers would have to add additional silo's to a plant. Most plants can not be expanded without great expense. We currently have no idea what the durability of plastic containing concrete is, as it has not been researched. But my guess is since it requires more cement for the same strength, durability goes down. If durability goes down, we would be replacing infrastructure sooner, increasing the costs to tax payers.

All in all, recycling plastics into concrete is a no win situation... unless you own a recycling company and line the pockets of your favorite politician to mandate its use in state highway projects.

[def90]

“The bill would also prohibit local governments from attempting to regulate plastic straws as well.”

Kind of like guns..

[boxy]

NOW........... the same people concerned about the plastic waste, want everyone to go back to more eco friendly products (PAPER). See the mental masturbation logic process of the feels folks.

They don't want people to go back to paper, they want people to go to canvas totes that they can use over and over again.

However, the energy it takes to make a single use plastic bag is orders of magnitude less than it takes to make a reusable tote... So it becomes a question of, which do you think is more damaging: Plastics in the environment, or carbon emissions?

Personally I'll use totes.