Ramah/Ben Lomand IPSC

[CHA-LEE]

The HPPS club will be hosting our monthly USPSA club match at the Ben Lomond Gun Club this coming Saturday. The weather is FINALLY going to work in our favor so we can host a match. YAY!!!! We are planning on setting up 6 fun stages to shoot. The weather is forecast to be windy with a high temp of 81 degrees. The HPPS club will not be allowing the provisional Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) division. Bring an appropriate pistol to participate in our pistol match.

For this match we are honoring the Armed Forces, both Active and Retired. If you currently serve or have served in the Armed Forces your match is FREE!!! Please let us know during registration that your match is FREE for being in the Armed Forces. Thank You for your Service!!!

The Ben Lomond Gun Club installed an Electronic Front Gate and it will remain CLOSED at all times. Everyone entering and exiting the range must input the HPPS Match gate code (24646).

If you can come out early and help setup, your help would be much appreciated. You even get a $5 discount for helping out with setup in the morning. Please remember that this is a volunteer sport and matches can’t happen without the help and dedication of its competitors. If you can pitch in and help setup please do.

Stage Setup starts at 7:30AM
New Shooter Class at 8:00AM
Match Registration starts at 8:30AM
Shooters Meeting at 9:45AM
Shooting Starts at 10:00AM

Thank you for your time.

Charlie Perez
HPPS Club President

303-882-6728

[Dave_L]

I'll be out there taking my range safety class. Maybe I'll swing by after and check this out.

[CHA-LEE]

Sure. If you are new to the range we host this match on the Competition/Special Use berms that are just past the 600 Yard Rifle range. Follow the Competition/Special Use signs and you will get there without any issues. Remember to bring eye and ear protection.

[Dave_L]

Sure. If you are new to the range we host this match on the Competition/Special Use berms that are just past the 600 Yard Rifle range. Follow the Competition/Special Use signs and you will get there without any issues. Remember to bring eye and ear protection.

Perfect. Thank you!

[Hoser]

The HPPS club will not be allowing the provisional Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) division. Bring an appropriate pistol to participate in our pistol match.

Bummer. Range rule or just grumpy old men that don't like IPSC shooters?

Several years ago, another front range club had an issue with 3-Gun shooters using rifles on a pistol range. Till they were reminded that cowboy action shooters also shoot pistol caliber carbines on "pistol" ranges and the sky had not fallen yet. Suddenly it was ok.

[SA Friday]

The HPPS club will not be allowing the provisional Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) division. Bring an appropriate pistol to participate in our pistol match.

What's this about? We ran PCC outlaw all the time when I was in Area 8. Is this an issue with scorekeeping or what?

[Dave_L]

It looked like a full match. I didn't stop in as we were out of time but looked like a good time.

[MarkCO]

What's this about? We ran PCC outlaw all the time when I was in Area 8. Is this an issue with scorekeeping or what?

Charlie does not like PCC. There are other clubs that will let people shoot PCC.

[CHA-LEE]

Not allowing PCC at HPPS matches goes beyond "What I like". Here are my six primary reasons why HPPS is not going to support PCC......

First, I don't want to dumb down the stages to allow for safe PCC shooting angles and challenges. Not to mention my props getting shot to shit because they don't understand there several inches of offset between their sights and the bore.

Second, I don't want to deal with dumbing down the start positions to allow PCC to safely start the stage along with all of the pistol shooters. Creating a secondary start position for the PCC division will only cause confusion for the majority of the shooters. I have enough to deal with during the match and answering the same question about the start position 9867932417498 times is not something I am willing to sign up for freely.

Third, I don't want to put a rifle rack on every single berm so shooters can store their guns in a safe location that keeps them from fiddling with it while people are down range. Bagging and unbagging a PCC wastes time since most stages have a decent amount of movement and you would need to wait for a bag to be brought to the shooter after the stage run.

Forth, USPSA Pistol matches are PISTOL matches, not carbine matches. If people want to shoot their carbines then they can have fun with them in practice, 3 Gun matches or rifle matches.

Fifth, The bulk of the people that would shoot PCC would want to do it as a Second gun for the whole match. This effectively takes that person out of the squad rotation of helping with anything. They are too busy screwing around with their guns, gear, or stage plans to help the squad run the stage. This is a volunteer sport run by the shooters. Not a consumer sport where everything is catered to the few who want to abuse the situation.

Sixth, The majority of the RO's at USPSA pistol matches have zero clue in ROing a shooter wielding a carbine. We don't have dedicated RO's for the stages and the shooters RO themselves. How does a non-Carbine knowledgeable RO effectively RO a shooter with a carbine? Very few local Colorado Pistol shooters have the Multigun RO endorsement. I don't want to force my volunteer RO's into ROing something they are not qualified to effectively RO.

[CHA-LEE]

I also want to point out that HPPS is only 1 of 12 USPSA clubs along the Colorado Front Range. I am sure there will be other local USPSA clubs that are willing to support the PCC division. All I can tell you is that HPPS is not going to support it at this time.