"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[ChickNorris]

I was worried you'd take my post the wrong way. Your points are fine and it's a discussion to be had. I'm talking more specifically about general discussions about whether an EV is realistic to use for people. There is always the person who shows up to argue about whether it is really more green or not. If that person doesn't care about how green something is, then who cares how green an EV is? Once something hits main stream, people are going to enter the market regardless of their feelings toward the environment.

Same with towing. If there are zero EV trucks on the market at this time, why is towing a part of any discussion? No one buys a sedan with the intent to tow.

Not no one, I put a hitch on our passat.

[Jer]

I don't care about electric cars one way or the other. I have read a bunch on the topic of lithium mining however, for no other reason than curiosity. If someone is going to try to say that's a clean process and I disagree I'm going to chime in about that. Pretty sure that's on topic weather I care about it or not.


I'll head over to the kids table now ttyl

I for one wouldn't call it a clean process but it is a different process. It's not perfect but even though it has it's own set of negatives it also seems to provide more positives. With some of the dry battery making methods & new technology coming down the pipeline we're going to see things get better for sure.

[Great-Kazoo]

Part of my fascination with this discussion is the amount of people who don't really have anything to say about EV in general, but just want to argue against stuff that they've heard in the past, and almost never in the threads started. I'm using this quote as an example because it is the most common one, not because I think this is what you are doing. Others certainly are though.

I get that the first people to be excited about EV cars were those who touted the idea that it's cleaner than ICE vehicles. Whether that is or isn't the case, doesn't matter at this point. EV has entered the market and the reasons for looking to own can change from the boutique interests that first generated publicity.

Basically if you (general) don't consider environmental factors for any of your other purchases, then stop talking about whether batteries are greener or not.
Same with towing. If you own any vehicles that can't tow 12,000 lbs over a mountain pass, but then think that is a valid talking point in whether an EV is a worthwhile purchase, then you should probably go back to eating glue at the kids table.

We looked and drove a few. Real nice, but very uncomfortable to deal with having a prosthetic . The Nissan Leaf would be the pick IF we ever went with a new vehicle.



Going back to environmentally better. There's a shit load of copper, wrapped in plastic used. While there's green potential, until options for wiring everything together are found. That don't use natural resources, they're really not that "green"

Nothing ever will be, so one has to weigh the benefits as well as "feel good" about doing something.

[Jer]

We looked and drove a few. Real nice, but very uncomfortable to deal with having a prosthetic . The Nissan Leaf would be the pick IF we ever went with a new vehicle.



Going back to environmentally better. There's a shit load of copper, wrapped in plastic used. While there's green potential, until options for wiring everything together are found. That don't use natural resources, they're really not that "green"

Nothing ever will be, so one has to weigh the benefits as well as "feel good" about doing something.

ICE vehicles don't use copper or plastic? That's a cool party trick.

[Great-Kazoo]

ICE vehicles don't use copper or plastic? That's a cool party trick.

You're deflecting away from natural resources an EV uses, same as an ICE does.


Think i'll bump your tacoma thread, just for a laugh

[ray1970]

I prefer the piquant flavor of paste to glue. Maybe I?m a snob like that.

[Irving]

After my last post I realized that Jer set the tone of the environmental aspect of this thread with the title.

[ChickNorris]

After my last post I realized that Jer set the tone of the environmental aspect of this thread with the title.

I appreciated the post. Over the thread however.

[CapLock]

Id love to have an ev truck for my work truck. If it had a 300 mile range thats way more than id need for working the metro area.

Trains run off electricity.
I think an ev truck would pull just fine.

[Grant H.]

Id love to have an ev truck for my work truck. If it had a 300 mile range thats way more than id need for working the metro area.

Trains run off electricity.
I think an ev truck would pull just fine.

Indeed. They will pull extremely well.

Range is the limitation that exists.

Post the next jump in battery tech (we're overdue, and I honestly think Tesla will be the primary driving force, likely the inventor, there), the use of EV will be rampant.