"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[MrPrena]

I like the hybrid f150. They come with the regen braking. Coming down a hill with a trailer would probably net quite a bit of charge

I decide to do some reading. We probably see Chemical to Mechaincal+heat (work and heat) efficiencies og engine/work, but KE to electrical on regen brake is still kinda new.

Regenerative braking allows the range of the EV to be extended; however, the efficiency of capturing this energy is reported to vary from 16% to 70% (Boretti, 2013). The reason for this significant difference in efficiency will depend on the driver's style of driving whether they brake gradually or severely. Furthermore, temperature of the system and outside ambient temperature affect the efficiency greatly. The driving technique of the driver is a considerable factor when calculating the efficiency of the regenerative braking system. Friction brake pads are installed in the EV to allow for more rapid braking as opposed to slow braking with the regenerative braking system. The utilization of the friction brakes results in the efficiency of the regenerative system to vary.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...0or%20severely.

Chemical energy ->Kinetic Energy -> electrical energy from regeneration would be substantially lower.

[BPTactical]

Or this:

[Jer]

I like the hybrid f150. They come with the regen braking. Coming down a hill with a trailer would probably net quite a bit of charge

Having owned a Hybrid I will say that they are probably not the best of both worlds but the worst. Sure, you save a few bucks on gas but keep in mind that you are getting all of the potential failure points of an ICE vehicle as well as all of the potential failure points of an EV. IMO they were a decent bridge until battery tech could replace ICE for most applications but it won't be around for long. One of the best parts of having an EV is the sheer simplicity of it all. It's a glorified gold cart: batteries, drive motor(s) and the wires and computers to make it all work. Add in suspension, brakes and seats and you have an EV. Once we start seeing more and more on the road with hundreds of thousands of miles chugging along with a slightly diminished range and zero other performance hits I think people who doubt their reliability will see the light.

[Jer]

That's what I would have thought, but it certainly didn't work out that way for the new Rivian.

This is a super cool truck. I would have one in my garage already if it wasn't for the question mark concerning service centers in this region. EVs don't need maintenance and rarely need service (especially after they've been established for a bit, moved some units and made some improvements based on feedback) but I still feel more comfortable knowing I can go someplace within an hour or so should I need to. These trucks are really cool though and I'm loving all of the new EVs finally coming to market. Their lack of nationwide service centers and charge infrastructure is the only thing keeping me from owning one currently. They'll get there though.

[Jer]

Not sure why everyone hates dinosaurs.

They sacrificed themselves so that we could enjoy internal combustion engines so I plan to honor their sacrifice as long as possible.

Not sure anyone here said anything about hating anything. I'm reasonable enough to realize that it's a finite resource (I think we can all agree on that... some want to run the fools errands of arguing just how finite that is) and whatever we can do to help preserve it isn't a bad thing. I want there to be more of it available for things that make less sense for EV technology like planes, cargo ships, trains and (at least for now) semi tractor trailers. I just think that for most of the population who drives passenger vehicles it's not only viable but likely a significant step forward in day-to-day experience. Most don't even know it though since the clear leader in the technology (Tesla) has a $0 advertising budget. That's also why you never hear anything counteract the FUD surrounding EVs other than owners like me who did the research, took a chance and are now reaping the rewards of being open minded.

[Jer]

Yeah and we need to pump more like we did few years ago. It was -28/barrel contract?
I also do not like OpEC and Russia trying to play around with nat gas and oil supply.

Bingo. I hear people complaining about gas prices and I'm 100% oblivious to it. I literally haven't owned anything that consumes gasoline in years. Zero. People often want to argue the environmental impact of EVs because it's a hot debate but most lose sight of is the fact that electricity is made domestically. This means that my ENTIRE household's energy needs have been met domestically for years now. I haven't sent a thin dime to foreign interests in the Middle East or Russia. Say what you will, but these cars are engineered and made in the USA (California) and my energy to power them is all met domestically. This means domestic jobs and not supporting foreign interests. That's a big deal to me. So is putting a smoke detector in my garage never worrying about leaks on my garage floor ever again.

[Jer]

Fuck EV

You will NEVER get this from EV.

F16's are pretty cool too. I can't afford to maintain them and surely will never be able to reach the limits of it's performance benefits on a regular basis. Not to mention the noise and vibrations are headache-inducing. Besides, my glorified golf cart beats them both from 0-60 which is more useful day-to-day anyway.

In all seriousness, why is this the debate? Like I'm threatening to take your alcohol dragsters or something? Hell, horses back riding is still a thing and we've been using vehicles as transportation for over a century now. I just see ICE cars falling into this category where it's more of a hobby and someone can own both for different reasons. I'm fully in support of that and nobody is trying to take anything for you so you're not "defending" anything when you shit on EVs. I don't really understand this mindset of negativity.

[MrPrena]

Or this:

Or this.

This is what I use to drive around until August 2019.
4.0 V8 8400rpm redline. It is 2nd or 3rd highest revving v8 road car besides Ferrari.

I needed haul more stuff, so I got a tacoma.
Taco did a good job hauling my stuffs over 2.5 years.
I disliked the mpg on taco relative to hp and really disliked their transmission.

BMW M3



M3 VS Ferrari 458

[OtterbatHellcat]

I refuse to own an electric vehicle, and will fight against it as long as possible.

[MrPrena]

No problem and thank you.

Form 8936 only applies to 200,000 vehicles from manufacturer. So If I decide to get an ev again, i have potential to get an another 7500 (manuf puts 7500 towards cap reduction). I hope vw, hyundai sells less than 200k ev or phev around 2025, so that I can purchase or lease again with 7500 credit.

Thanks to those, I got it lower than mid end corolla lease.

Since mine was a lease, I can get 7500 on purchase or a lease after lease expires.


Environment is less of a concern for me. I am not rich enough to think about environment. I need to worry about efficiency in terms of revenue and cost. Leasing an ev wad the most cost efficient for my self employment in terms of accounting.

https://www.investopedia.com/electri...nition-5200911