"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[Jer]

...and other myths I often hear. I stumbled across a very well done video that is easy to understand and breaks down several myths I often hear about EVs. Usually it's from someone who "heard from someone" or saw a headline like my thread title and assumed it was fact w/o reading the details or the MSM perpetuating this false narrative that EVs are bad because it gets clicks just like guns are bad.

Electric Cars Myths vs Facts


As is often the case with those who don't understand firearms it's far too easy for them to latch onto the false narrative that they're evil. Once they're educated on the facts and experience them first-hand their story often changes. I find the same to be true with EVs. Once I take people for a ride and answer all of their questions they "get it" and often times say something to the effect that they have to get one those things.

[Bailey Guns]

Wait... Are you saying guns aren't evil?

[Great-Kazoo]

Wait... Are you saying guns aren't evil?

No, he's justifying something he feels passionate about.

Again

[Irving]

Wait... Are you saying drones aren't evil?

[hurley842002]

Jer, you have a thread going about choosing a career path, have you thought about Tesla sales? You are obviously very knowledgeable and passionate about them, perhaps you could take that passion and turn it into $$. Serious suggestion, no sarcasm intended.

[Jer]

Jer, you have a thread going about choosing a career path, have you thought about Tesla sales? You are obviously very knowledgeable and passionate about them, perhaps you could take that passion and turn it into $$. Serious suggestion, no sarcasm intended.

I have considered it but this would require commuting & selling cars again. Neither of which would equate to doing something I'm passionate about.

[Bailey Guns]

It was actually a pretty interesting video. I'd need to see info from the "other" side to make a judgment on where the truth actually lies.

[.455_Hunter]

I am not anti-EV, but some of his generalizations and assumptions are crap.

A couple of examples from the first few minutes:

- Stopping at a charging station for 1 hour mid-trip works we until there is a line for the charging station. You can't assume that you will always be able to wheel right into a station and plug-in.

- Averaging power outage time across the entire country in kinda like averaging hurricane loss across the entire country. Some areas can be without power for weeks, especially with ice storms. You can store gas to keep your vehicle running. Using that gas in a generator to charge your EV- highly inefficient.

EV's can be highly practical for certain users and areas of the county, especially if you can maintain a second "normal'" car as back-up, but marginalizing legitimate concerns with "facts" doesn't help anything.

[Jer]

I am not anti-EV, but some of his generalizations and assumptions are crap.

A couple of examples from the first few minutes:

- Stopping at a charging station for 1 hour mid-trip works we until there is a line for the charging station. You can't assume that you will always be able to wheel right into a station and plug-in.

- Averaging power outage time across the entire country in kinda like averaging hurricane loss across the entire country. Some areas can be without power for weeks, especially with ice storms. You can store gas to keep your vehicle running. Using that gas in a generator to charge your EV- highly inefficient.

EV's can be highly practical for certain users and areas of the county, especially if you can maintain a second "normal'" car as back-up, but marginalizing legitimate concerns with "facts" doesn't help anything.

How can the conversation be had if we can't make generalizations? We built our house 13 years ago & I've experienced one power outage that lasted about an hour so for my specific example the number is almost zero so for me even the figure he uses seems absurd in the other direction.

As for stopping for an hour that's also one single & very specific trip. Most of the stops are around 15-20min on very long trips & these comprise less than 1% of your actual use. Understanding limitations is important but exaggerating "issues" that aren't a big deal isn't being objective.

[.455_Hunter]

How can the conversation be had if we can't make generalizations? We built our house 13 years ago & I've experienced one power outage that lasted about an hour so for my specific example the number is almost zero so for me even the figure he uses seems absurd in the other direction.

As for stopping for an hour that's also one single & very specific trip. Most of the stops are around 15-20min on very long trips & these comprise less than 1% of your actual use. Understanding limitations is important but exaggerating "issues" that aren't a big deal isn't being objective.

Not sure how being without power for weeks isn't a "big deal", but I guess we should ask the folks in Georgia and the Carolinas who got double tapped by hurricanes last year.

A modern gas station can process a large number of vehicles per hour at the pumps. I do not see how such a system would work where everybody wants to charge at the same spot and the same time, especially on rural interstates at "natural" stopping points, like Limon or Raton.

An EV works good for people in Boulder who generally never venture outside the "bubble" on a daily basis and have an alternate car for going skiing or driving to other states.