Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
Charging stations are not free - we all pay into them - along with paying for the subsidies EV purchasers enjoy.
Creating the electricity that goes into an EV is not "clean energy."
Some states already have rolling blackouts due to a lack of electricity in the summer months. What happens when everyone is doubling their electricity needs by driving EVs? More unclean energy production?

Biggest scam yet. The politically connected are getting rich of this nonsense. Even bigger than the damn wind and solar farms.

Physics ain't that difficult - and it cannot be broken.
Here we go. You don't pay a dime for Superchargers. The bill goes to Tesla. If you bought a Tesla then there is some cost association built into the selling price of your car. Tax payers don't subsidize Superchargers.

Your slight at EV subsidies assumes that there are other means of transportation that don't get gov't subsidy. How much do we subsidize the cost of oil/gas? I don't buy gas or oil yet my taxes go to keep the cost of oil and gas artificially stable and low. Who benefits from that? Are you trying to tell me that oil companies don't take any handouts and are non-profits trying to make the world a better place? lol

BTW, if you're talking about loans and "handouts" it should be noted that the loan that Tesla took (like the other manufacturers) has been paid back in full years ahead of schedule (unlike the other car manufacturers who are rapidly headed towards insolvency).

Creating the energy that goes into an EV is only as clean as the state wants it to be. Some states still burn a LOT of coal for production. Many use far far less. All are moving towards a larger amount of renewable energy sources for production. EVs take the middle man (fuel refinery/production/distro) out of the picture. It's up to states to implement cleaner production and whatever improvements are made at the highest level are magnified by EVs. This is a pretty simple concept that many like to overlook in their anti-EV rants.

Saying that states have electricity issues is exactly why EV is important. It's driving (pun intended) the battery technology that will be used to stabilize our electrical grid. Look at places like Australia and Hawaii where electricity costs are through the roof and brown/black outs are common. Tesla steps in with Powerwall and Powerpack solutions and nearly overnight their problems are going away. Inside of those Powewalls and Powerpacks... the exact same cells that are in the cars. Tell me again how this is HURTING power generation and supply.

I love how in your scenario the "politically connected" are the clean energy and EV industries that are the big bad wolf looking to blow the poor little innocent oil companies straw houses down. ROFL