ATF has re-interpreted how to measure (AR) pistol OAL in reference to AOW.

[SA Friday]

https://blog.princelaw.com/2019/07/0...R0Ad3s7bkCwg5E

These fucking morons... The ATF and the DEA interpreting laws is not fucking OK. The ATF opinion letter process is a god damned joke just as much as the DEA being able to add substances to the controlled substance act.

[Grant H.]

Just another way for them to go after more folks in order to justify their existence.

Always remember, anyone in a bureaucratic fiefdom is always trying to justify why they have a job. ATF, DEA, EPA, REA, CPS, APS, etc... These fuckwits have to "prove" they need to have a job to their management, so they will find ways to create a "need" for themselves...

There may be a need for a team to manage certain things, but in order to gain more budget money, more people, and effectively increase their fiefdom, they must "prove" their worth.

How do that do that? Make mountains out of fucking mole hills and vilify those that run up against them...

[Irving]

I was under the impression that one couldn't add a vertical foregrip to a "pistol" once it had a short enough barrel to be considered a pistol in the first place. From my reading of the link, it sounded like there was an area over a certain OAL that was okay to attach vertical foregrips to pistols, and now that measurement has been shifted?

[Zundfolge]

I was under the impression that one couldn't add a vertical foregrip to a "pistol"...

This is what I thougth as well, which is why so many people put angled foregrips on their AR pistols because those are ok on Pistols.

[def90]

Well, people just cant resist sending letters to the atf for clarification.. what do they expect?

[CS1983]

Hope you're not drinking, cus this is very "the missile knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't":

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download

[Wulf202]

I was under the impression that one couldn't add a vertical foregrip to a "pistol" once it had a short enough barrel to be considered a pistol in the first place. From my reading of the link, it sounded like there was an area over a certain OAL that was okay to attach vertical foregrips to pistols, and now that measurement has been shifted?

If you're familiar with the shockwave type of firearm grey area, that covers this vfg statement also. Once a pistol grows to over 26 inches but has a barrel length less than 16 inches it hits the same kind of grey area.

it slightly changes certain people's points of measurement when equipped with a brace. They were ignoring other atf letters to measure from those points to begin with though.

Basically some people were using a pistol buffer tube and extending the brace out as far as possible to get them to 26 inches so they could mount a vfg. This letter just says measure from the buffer tube end not the end of the brace.

So there's now an opening for a company to make brace capable a2 length pistol buffer tubes.

[Great-Kazoo]

So there's now an opening for a company to make brace capable a2 length pistol buffer tubes.

One could use an A-2 buffer tube, cut a spacer to have the tube use Carbine buffer and spring.

[Wulf202]

One could use an A-2 buffer tube, cut a spacer to have the tube use Carbine buffer and spring.

The ability to readily mount a stock is an issue. You have to plug off the screw hole in the tail of the tube with a two part epoxy or something

[Great-Kazoo]

The ability to readily mount a stock is an issue. You have to plug off the screw hole in the tail of the tube with a two part epoxy or something

allen head set screw using some j-b weld to keep from being unscrewed, with "normal" hand tools. $3. later you're gtg.