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    Default Gun Review: GT Products LLC, CO Springs. POS tanner rip-off!

    Today I worked on an AR-15 that the customer brought in and said wouldn't run. We have a general battery of questions we ask to try to narrow down parts in the gun and why it's not operational. In my 4 years at Bowers and the thousands of guns I've worked on, this was one of the worst made AR's I've seen. The rifle has less than 100 rounds through it and had never run according to the owner. It was now completely inop. The rifle was purchased from GT from the Tanner Gun Show within the $500 range.

    The following were the parts/assembly that failed:

    - Buffer tube is softer aluminum than 6061 T-6 and had twisted and stripped the threads off by the end plate, garbage
    - Buffer was a single piece of aluminum and painted black, garbage
    - Buffer spring was painted black, had a kink in it (how the fuck do you kink a buffer spring if it's spring steel? ), garbage
    - Castle nut was not standard steel and painted not phosphate coated, not staked, and had come loose shooting the buffer retainer and spring out of the lower
    - Bolt carrier group was replaced before brought to me due to excessive galling on the BCG (no further info but it was fucked up too)
    - Gas block was completely loose, no loc-tite on retaining screws and they were never torqued down, gas jet marks from the port around the barrel indicated the gas block was never sealed around the port
    - Gas tube roll pin hanging half out and was undersized when attempted to complete installation
    - The gas port in the 16" carbine length 556 barrel (unknown manufacturer) was measured to be 0.110" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    - Handguard was Chinese made and all 6 retaining screws from the handguard into the barrel nut were removed BY HAND (no wrench was used, metric wrench BTW), and no Loc-tite on any of the screws

    This rifle was made with the cheapest parts available with nothing in mind other than selling it as cheap as possible and making a buck. This was NOT a functional gun when sold and with the gigantic gas port size, may never be. Whomever swapped the BCG did this poor kid no favors. At least it head-spaced and didn't blow up in his face. I rebuilt the BCG, even the gas rings were smoked. That's not on the original manufacturer, but I would love to have seen what the original BCG was if this one was the better of the two.

    I hate it that there are people in my profession willing to sell junk like this and prey on the uninformed. This was the kid's first rifle and he got screwed. This is NOT how we build a decent reputation within the gun community. Do NOT buy from this company.
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    As someone who makes a living fixing jacked up rifles maybe you should hope the guy sold a boat load of these things.

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    By chance, did JoeK bring in this rifle?




    Sorry... had to.


    I guess the guy should have bought a BCA rifle.


    Sorry.. had to again..

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    Actually, though, it would be easy enough for some internet savvy folks to track down the principals of said LLC.


    Or we could just Les Fletcher, Plano TX them.

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    All jokes aside, this is no laughing matter.

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    Actually, though, it would be easy enough for some internet savvy folks to track down the principles
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    Quote Originally Posted by crays View Post
    All jokes aside, this is no laughing matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    As someone who makes a living fixing jacked up rifles maybe you should hope the guy sold a boat load of these things.
    Sounds like the customers would be better off to just go buy another one with all the issues noted on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    Today I worked on an AR-15 that the customer brought in and said wouldn't run. We have a general battery of questions we ask to try to narrow down parts in the gun and why it's not operational. In my 4 years at Bowers and the thousands of guns I've worked on, this was one of the worst made AR's I've seen. The rifle has less than 100 rounds through it and had never run according to the owner. It was now completely inop. The rifle was purchased from GT from the Tanner Gun Show within the $500 range.

    The following were the parts/assembly that failed:

    - Buffer tube is softer aluminum than 6061 T-6 and had twisted and stripped the threads off by the end plate, garbage
    - Buffer was a single piece of aluminum and painted black, garbage
    - Buffer spring was painted black, had a kink in it (how the fuck do you kink a buffer spring if it's spring steel? ), garbage
    - Castle nut was not standard steel and painted not phosphate coated, not staked, and had come loose shooting the buffer retainer and spring out of the lower
    - Bolt carrier group was replaced before brought to me due to excessive galling on the BCG (no further info but it was fucked up too)
    - Gas block was completely loose, no loc-tite on retaining screws and they were never torqued down, gas jet marks from the port around the barrel indicated the gas block was never sealed around the port
    - Gas tube roll pin hanging half out and was undersized when attempted to complete installation
    - The gas port in the 16" carbine length 556 barrel (unknown manufacturer) was measured to be 0.110" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    - Handguard was Chinese made and all 6 retaining screws from the handguard into the barrel nut were removed BY HAND (no wrench was used, metric wrench BTW), and no Loc-tite on any of the screws

    This rifle was made with the cheapest parts available with nothing in mind other than selling it as cheap as possible and making a buck. This was NOT a functional gun when sold and with the gigantic gas port size, may never be. Whomever swapped the BCG did this poor kid no favors. At least it head-spaced and didn't blow up in his face. I rebuilt the BCG, even the gas rings were smoked. That's not on the original manufacturer, but I would love to have seen what the original BCG was if this one was the better of the two.

    I hate it that there are people in my profession willing to sell junk like this and prey on the uninformed. This was the kid's first rifle and he got screwed. This is NOT how we build a decent reputation within the gun community. Do NOT buy from this company.

    First I find this post to be very unfair.

    1. Gt Products was never contacted to give their side of it.
    2. GT Products is a class 1 dealer so they DO NOT MANUFACTURE firearms.
    3. If they were manufactures then their company name would have to be engraved on the lower receiver.
    4. All lowers are purchased complete. So the manufacture built them NOT GT Products.
    5. All uppers are purchased complete and test fired by that company and 2 empty cases come with each upper.
    6. GT Products give a life time warranty on all uppers and lowers. So the customer should have taken it back to them to be fixed or replaced FREE OF CHARGE.

    After talking to the person that wrote this he told me we should not be selling guns out of the box that wont fire. I asked him if he fires every gun they order and he told me no. Don't get me wrong. He is a nice and knowable person. But unless we fire every weapon how are we supposed to know if it is working properly or not? That is why we give a lifetime warranty. Even when the manufacture doesn't. WE TAKE CARE OF OUR CUSTOMERS!!

    Also we stopped buying from that manufacture because we had to send back 2 of their products. And we only deal with AERO now. Thank you for your time.

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    I dont believe he said you built a shitty rifle, he just said you sold a shitty rifle.

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