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    BANNED....or not? Skip's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    I'm not so sure it's a "deeply personal decision etc. etc." to be honest, because of the facts and the situation at hand. I don't believe "rights" extend to ignorant risk to others lives, e.g. someone doesn't have a right to wave a loaded gun all around including at my family. Likewise, they don't have the "right" to willfully get newborns (mine) and their fellows infected with disabling or killer viruses, without good cause - e.g. for no benefit other than to "pet" their conspiratory world view and/or mental illness.

    The issue with vaccines is they aren't perfect; their primary immunity comes from herd immunity (limiting a contagion spread to prevent epidemic infections). Have a lot of unvaccinated people in the "herd" and there is a tipping point where the vaccines no longer immunize a lot of people even who received them.

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    The bold part is the argument for gun control, FYI. Almost verbatim. Grabbers say the exact thing about "assault rifles..." No one needs them, they put the public at risk, 2A isn't absolute, etc...

    Vaccines are not only imperfect (effective) but have risks, as does any medical intervention. Dispense enough doses of Tylenol and you'll eventually see risk. This is why people have to make the choice.

    The autism link has been thoroughly discredited as was the Dr who published that initial study. Although I think there probably is a autism/environment link, I have yet to this proven.

    Allowing the gov to compel the assumption of individual risk for collective reward is an interesting and slippery thing in any context. There is certainly good utility/benefit in vaccinating for the individual/parent too but this is an opinion. A good opinion, IMHO, and a consensus, but not absolute.

    Closing the borders and screening would also be a good defense. Of course, that's out of the question because it would end the Great Replacement. We're seeing a lot of scary stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    Although I think there probably is a autism/environment link, I have yet to this proven.
    There is some studies showing a link to SSRI use in utero. How significant of a link, I can't say.

    And it's not a direct comparison to "gun control" as there's a difference between responsible gun owners (only shooting bullets downrange at safe places) and irresponsible gun owners (shooting through trees into houses, etc.)

    On the other hand, there is no responsible unvaccinated person, unless they segregate themselves from society entirely. Because you cannot see pathogens, and they will already be contagious before they even have symptoms, they don't have an ability "to be responsible". Even if you wash your hands, and avoid sick people, and you're very clean, you could still be shedding a virus at a time when you're around newborns or infants that will kill them, prior to you even being aware you're sick. (Typhoid mary comment on point).

    It's more akin to people asking for gun control if your guns, in theory, could start shooting bullets at people without your awareness.

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