BOLO for "Woman infatuated with Columbine"

[DireWolf]

Do you know the FBI traced her gun purchase via a credit card? I read that agents and other LE visited shops around the area and that's how they found out where she bought the gun. I don't know if that's accurate.

Also, re: tracing credit cards... Couldn't she have done this anonymously with a Visa/MC gift/prepaid card?

That was a bit of an assumption based on some things I had read, didn't know they had blasted a text out to all FFLs asking about it until just now.

But trying not to rush to judgment as this just doesn't seem on the level given timing and other oddities (once again, just based on what I've read so far).

As for cards, that's a good point. While (store-branded) gift cards are fully anonymous, my understanding is that general-use prepaid cards (Visa/MC/Amex/etc.) actually need to be registered prior to activation (related to anti money-laundering controls, though not sure how much actual verification goes into that; something to look into when I have time).

[Skully]

Well I didn't think of this and hasn't made the news "yet" but the COLORADO dealer was not supposed to sell her the gun.


Ooooops

(Quoted from an article on TRUTH ABOUT GUNS)

8 USC Ch. 44: FIREARMS ?922. Unlawful acts

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver?

(3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee?s place of business is located, except that this paragraph (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee?s place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States), and (B) shall not apply to the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

Under federal law, it's legal to sell a gun to an out-of-state resident so long as the purchase would be legal in their home state.

GOP-lead legislature signed into law by Rick Scott outlawing the purchase of long guns by anyone under the age of 21.

FL Statute ?790.065 Sale and delivery of firearms.

(13) A person younger than 21 years of age may not purchase a firearm. The sale or transfer of a firearm to a person younger than 21 years of age may not be made or facilitated by a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer. A person who violates this subsection commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. The prohibitions of this subsection do not apply to the purchase of a rifle or shotgun by a law enforcement officer or correctional officer, as those terms are defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), (3), (6), (7), (8), or (9), or a servicemember as defined in s. 250.01.

How long are we guessing BATF will make the announcement and then how long will it take for the family to sue the dealer?

[00tec]

Well I didn't think of this and hasn't made the news "yet" but the COLORADO dealer was not supposed to sell her the gun.


Ooooops

(Quoted from an article on TRUTH ABOUT GUNS)



Under federal law, it's legal to sell a gun to an out-of-state resident so long as the purchase would be legal in their home state.

GOP-lead legislature signed into law by Rick Scott outlawing the purchase of long guns by anyone under the age of 21.




How long are we guessing BATF will make the announcement and then how long will it take for the family to sue the dealer?

Except:

(c) This subsection does not apply to the purchase, trade, or transfer of a rifle or shotgun by a resident of this state when the resident makes such purchase, trade, or transfer from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer in another state.

[00tec]

That was a bit of an assumption based on some things I had read, didn't know they had blasted a text out to all FFLs asking about it until just now.

But trying not to rush to judgment as this just doesn't seem on the level given timing and other oddities (once again, just based on what I've read so far).

As for cards, that's a good point. While (store-branded) gift cards are fully anonymous, my understanding is that general-use prepaid cards (Visa/MC/Amex/etc.) actually need to be registered prior to activation (related to anti money-laundering controls, though not sure how much actual verification goes into that; something to look into when I have time).

Negative. Pull the cardboard off the back and swipe it. No registration needed.

[Skully]

Except:

(c) This subsection does not apply to the purchase, trade, or transfer of a rifle or shotgun by a resident of this state when the resident makes such purchase, trade, or transfer from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer in another state.

I will leave the legalities to experts, however I dont know if you quote is from Florida or CO? The new Florida clearly bars her from buying the gun.

What ever the case there will be some legal action taken on such a large media exposed case. What that looks like will not be pleasant the crap will have to hear and deal with.

[hollohas]

No doubt the family will sue the dealer.

I don't think the girl was part of any conspiracy. She was just plain nutso. But I do get a funny feeling the FBI blew this out of proportion with alternative motives. Seriously. She was obviously being watched, close. They were right on her trail the entire time. They knew where she was and had been faster than they have ever tracked anyone. But, they said they didn't even have probable cause for arrest? Why watch someone so closely with no probable cause? They expect us to believe that they just found out about her and her fucked up ideas the very morning she flew out here? And they were able to produce enough info on her that same morning to track down every stop she made? Either that's the MOST efficient FBI investigation in the history of the world, or they're blowing some kind of smoke up our asses.

No probable cause for arrest, but enough to shutdown every school in an entire metro area? I have 3 young school aged kids. And it was no problem for them to stay home a day this week. My wife enjoyed their company. No skin off our backs. But this was WAY overblown IMO. And it seems to me like it was on purpose. Not by local LE, I trust the JeffCo Sheriff. But overblown by the FBI.

If she's was that bad and her plans were so scary and the FBI knew SO much about her, why wasn't she picked up at DIA when she got off the plane? It stinks. Like a little mini Fast and Furious.

[00tec]

I will leave the legalities to experts, however I dont know if you quote is from Florida or CO? The new Florida clearly bars her from buying the gun.

What ever the case there will be some legal action taken on such a large media exposed case. What that looks like will not be pleasant the crap will have to hear and deal with.

It's Florida. 790.065
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0790.065.html

I didnt post the link because my phone has a terrible habit of deleting my drafted post if I change tabs.

[Irving]

Do credit card purchases usually show up the same day? Some of mine do, but some don't show up for several days. Usually it's the next day.

[TEAMRICO]

Im curious to know what type of ammo she purchased.

[Skully]

It's Florida. 790.065
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0790.065.html

I didnt post the link because my phone has a terrible habit of deleting my drafted post if I change tabs.

If I read that correctly (they sometimes can be confusing) that section you quoted is part of another section regarding the background check in Florida. If someone buys a firearm out of state the buyer doesn't have to go through a Florida background check as well. The additional rule no one under 21 to buy a long gun etc is on the ass end of the law (newest addition)