Stem Academy in Highlands Ranch shooting

[Bailey Guns]

I didn't say it was OK...

Well, yeah, you kinda did...

I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.

And, no, it's not OK for LE, or anyone else, to wound innocent people. It happens. And sometimes the outcome is worse than other times. Doesn't make it OK. In 15 years as a cop including 13 as a police firearms instructor, it was never, ever, considered OK to wound an innocent person through what would basically be considered negligence...or for any other reason.

And there's nothing to be gained by speculating what might've happened had he not fired. Because he did fire. We have no idea how any other scenario might've played out regardless of how much you want to believe this guy saved lives. We only know one outcome...the one that happened.

some wacked-out security guard pulled out an unauthorized weapon and just started shooting at make believe bad guys.

OMG...that's exactly what happened (minus the "wacked-out" part). He fired his unauthorized gun at the muzzle of another gun. He had no idea what was at the other end of the gun if, in fact, the reporting thus far is accurate. And I'm gonna assume it is because I doubt he'd intentionally shoot if he knew it was a cop holding the gun.

I'm gonna bow out of this while I can still be civil. I respect your opinion but I think it's extremely misguided.

[Bailey Guns]

In the 12+ years I taught carry classes I ALWAYS emphasized the gun you carry is for your protection and the protection of people you really care about. My teaching partner (current federal LEO) and I always advised against interjecting yourself into a potential lethal force encounter unless absolutely necessary. There's basically only one good outcome...you might prevail and survive. There are an unlimited number of negative outcomes and the law of unintended consequences will always jump up and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

[.455_Hunter]

I'm gonna bow out of this while I can still be civil. I respect your opinion but I think it's extremely misguided.

That's fine. Events, like this or the Black shooting in Aurora, can be Monday Morning Quarterbacked to death.

Forums would be pretty boring if everybody agreed about everything. On this board, I get accused of being too Liberal in some threads and too Conservative or Libertarian in others.

You signed my wife's CCW Training Class certificate and I definitely appreciate it.

[.455_Hunter]

In the 12+ years I taught carry classes I ALWAYS emphasized the gun you carry is for your protection and the protection of people you really care about. My teaching partner (current federal LEO) and I always advised against interjecting yourself into a potential lethal force encounter unless absolutely necessary. There's basically only one good outcome...you might prevail and survive. There are an unlimited number of negative outcomes and the law of unintended consequences will always jump up and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

Yes- Absolutely true.

[Bailey Guns]

To good discussion.

[battle_sight_zero]

Before we cast judgements. I would wait for more facts to come out. Right now the narrative is controlled by the entities involved and for their own interests. Like it or not the facts in this event will take months and years to come forward. In fact we likely will never know all the facts and we will receive versions of the event that suit and compliment each entities involved version. I see lots of deflecting right now. Garuntee the lawyers and event reputation mitigation consultants are advising what to put out. It is a chess game of PR.

[BREATHER]

When and if I carry(it is no ones business)I do so to protect my wife's life and my own.

[O2HeN2]

Don't know if this has been pointed to yet, but here's a breakdown of how anti-gun adults we're really behind the highly-politicized
"Student-organized STEM vigil".

https://ilwd4cr.home.blog/2019/06/04...rado-shooting/

O2

[Gman]

Also heard this morning that the older perp's next hearing was pushed back and that the 16 year old will be tried as an adult.