Stem Academy in Highlands Ranch shooting

[Bailey Guns]

Interesting- He did what he needed to do.

I doubt that's going to help him out much in court.

[Drucker]

I guess he could have done what all the other "hero" admin staff and teachers did... nothing

[Gman]

He acted in a capacity that differed from his contracted employment. I have yet to hear of the details of his heroic action. If he had shot an officer due to his negligence, I doubt anything else he might have done would count.

[Bailey Guns]

I heard he took one of the suspects into custody. Beyond that, he fired at what turned out to be a deputy, missed, and wounded an innocent student. Not sure how that falls into the category of "doing what he needed to do".

[.455_Hunter]

I heard he took one of the suspects into custody. Beyond that, he fired at what turned out to be a deputy, missed, and wounded an innocent student. Not sure how that falls into the category of "doing what he needed to do".

Good grief- The first part of that statement was a pretty damm important task.

The second part was unfortunate, but not surprising given the situation. I guess the preference here would have been for the shooting to continue unabated while the "unarmed" security guard cowered with the other students. I guess too, that no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire- I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.

[.455_Hunter]

I guess he could have done what all the other "hero" admin staff and teachers did... nothing

Exactly.

[Gman]

The guard didn't exchange fire with any of the shooters (just the DCSO). After McKinney was confronted by students and left the classroom (and admittedly didn't know how to operate the gun's safety) , was apprehended by the guard. There seems to be no information that the guard's gun played any role in that apprehension.

[.455_Hunter]

The guard didn't exchange fire with any of the shooters (just the DCSO). After McKinney was confronted by students and left the classroom (and admittedly didn't know how to operate the gun's safety) , was apprehended by the guard. There seems to be no information that the guard's gun played any role in that apprehension.

Yes- That would be good to know. Possession of the gun by the guard may have given him the fortitude to directly confront the perp. Maybe it caused the perp the surrender? Hopefully it will all come out.

[Bailey Guns]

Good grief- The first part of that statement was a pretty damm important task.

The second part was unfortunate, but not surprising given the situation. I guess the preference here would have been for the shooting to continue unabated while the "unarmed" security guard cowered with the other students. I guess too, that no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire- I will take a Deputy getting shot at and a student wounded to prevent a massacre zone from expanding.

Yeah...because being sure of your target really isn't that important.

The day after the shooting, 9Wants to Know reported that investigators were looking into a possible incidence of ?friendly fire? that apparently began when the security guard saw the muzzle of a gun coming around a corner and shot back.

(my bold)

How do you, with any semblance of reasonableness, get to

no LEO should ever respond to an active shooter because of the chance of friendly fire

because I questioned the security guard's actions? That's absurd.

Not only that but the guard may have violated the law by having a gun on school property. He violated the terms of the contract as far as we know. And now we have a "good guy with a gun", that wasn't supposed to have a gun, shooting at a cop and wounding a student. So much for advancing the argument of guns in schools by anyone other than a cop. I'm not discounting what the guy did in terms of handcuffing the suspect. But FFS...another way to look at it is the guard was responsible for wounding 11% of the casualties during the incident. I'm not sure how you spin that into a good thing but, hey...knock yourself out.

[glocktoberfest]

sometimes when i'm zoning out at the movie theater before the show begins, i imagine how i'd react if somebody opened fire and the chaos that would ensue. getting a single good shot off would be near impossible as i imagine it. Hitting the shooter wouldn't be impossible, but not shooting bystanders would be.