Denver decriminalizes mushrooms!

[Great-Kazoo]

Lets be intellectually honest here. Responsible adults usually make responsible choices...

You can disapprove but does that mean it should be illegal?

Agree.

If one were to insert another word, like gun for instance. the conversation would change.


Look no farther than CA after the brief, but effective, mag limit ban was temporarily rescinded . What they sell to CA, 1/2 million mags or less?

[Gman]

Agree.

If one were to insert another word, like gun for instance. the conversation would change.

Not from my perspective. A gun is a tool and has a number of empirical good uses. Misuse becomes the issue.

I'd at least expect to hear the argument that drugs have value in 'the arts', but I think that's also B.S.

I'm a libertarian, but I also understand that the model would have a tendency toward anarchy if fully implemented. Intoxicants have a long history of being societally destructive (opium dens for example). How much dependency, lack of productivity, crime, and disability entitlements can taxpayers be expected to support?

[Irving]

Not from my perspective. A gun is a tool and has a number of empirical good uses. Misuse becomes the issue.

I'd at least expect to hear the argument that drugs have value in 'the arts', but I think that's also B.S.

I'm a libertarian, but I also understand that the model would have a tendency toward anarchy if fully implemented. Intoxicants have a long history of being societally destructive (opium dens for example). How much dependency, lack of productivity, crime, and disability entitlements can taxpayers be expected to support?

If you believe at all in what you said in red, then you'd be lobbying HARD against legal alcohol. Why aren't you?

As to your comment in blue, not every drug does the same thing, and not every person responds to drugs the same way. I'd use the example of me hearing people describing what certain alcohol does to them, i.e. "Vodka makes me horny," or "tequila makes me wanna fight!" I've never personally experienced any different types of drunks between alcohol, but that doesn't mean others don't.

For those interested, here is a list of studies around psilocybin: https://maps.org/search-results?sear...archphrase=all
EDIT: Looks like a compilation of just psychedelic things, but a lot on the list look like studies.

I'm interested in the medical stuff, and there are great arguments to be made from the medical usage perspective, but I don't like it as an end all be all argument because I don't think things need to have a medical benefit to justify their existence or legality. I don't want to imagine a world without roller blades and Doritos.

[Gman]

If you believe at all in what you said in red, then you'd be lobbying HARD against legal alcohol. Why aren't you?

Why? Someone should be able to build a still to make their own bio-fuel.

If you believe everyone should police themselves, why aren't you lobbying hard against government policing?

[Irving]

Why? Someone should be able to build a still to make their own bio-fuel.

If you believe everyone should police themselves, why aren't you lobbying hard against government policing?

I wasn't the one taking about people policing themselves.

[Skip]

Agree.

If one were to insert another word, like gun for instance. the conversation would change.


Look no farther than CA after the brief, but effective, mag limit ban was temporarily rescinded . What they sell to CA, 1/2 million mags or less?

Well except that my gun ownership costs others nothing. Actually a collective benefit.

More chemical recreation will cost what?

If people generally make good choices why is my paycheck taxed to fund “safety nets” for when they don’t?

[Great-Kazoo]

More chemical recreation will cost what?

If people generally make good choices why is my paycheck taxed to fund “safety nets” for when they don’t?

Those taxpayer safety nets are 1 of the reasons we moved.

It will cost what the general public is willing to foot the bill for.
Denver said NO to relaxing camping rules for the homeless.
When the Utopian aura looses it's luster. Then , maybe the voters will finally say NO MORE. Unfortunately the Metro masses are so in love with their "Freedom" It's going to be beyond hard stuffing that genie back in the bottle.

[Skip]

Those taxpayer safety nets are 1 of the reasons we moved.

It will cost what the general public is willing to foot the bill for.
Denver said NO to relaxing camping rules for the homeless.
When the Utopian aura looses it's luster. Then , maybe the voters will finally say NO MORE. Unfortunately the Metro masses are so in love with their "Freedom" It's going to be beyond hard stuffing that genie back in the bottle.

That the nonsensical part of this. The voters get the input to push the city/state further down the spiral but not a say on the consequences/other side of the coin that would be consistent with morality. It's moving one direction. Once the dysfunctional (for lack of a better word) voters are firmly established, the productive folks can't regain control.

That's why laugh at the suggestion this is a freedom issue. These drug issues are designed to make every middle class worker serve a superclass of professional recreaters. And then we wonder how we get outvoted when those voters become single issue (gov welfare/program) voters.

I think we should legalize cocaine for sure. Bump up those productivity numbers...

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