*CONFIRMED SEE PAGE 7* Littleton PD Requesting online-uploads of video for firearms transactions

[battle_sight_zero]

Some good points in the thread. I am glad to see that fellow Colorado gun owners are concerned as I am. As for RapidFire they are closed permanently as of 6pm today. The owner said to thank all of you for your business over the last 10 years. Steve and Dawn are nice people and I appreciated the service they gave me. It was a small shop, but I made a point at every birthday and Christmas to order things like gear such as knifes, fishing licenses, first aid supplies. and of course consignments and transfer . Little family members got their 1st 22s from that store under the trees. Had many friends come to the store for transfers and other purchases too. I will always remember using the knives to dress a deer or clean fish with my kids. I am pretty sad but I am sure I will find a new place in another city away from Littleton. However as they said this was the final straw for them. I am sure the store will find a new tenant, but really do we need another, brewery, wine, clothes store or a vaping gear store? Hope you guys can stop the spread of madness that has infected our State.

[hurley842002]

I am sure the store will find a new tenant, but really do we need another, brewery.

Yes we do, my hobbies don?t stop with guns, that being said, I?m still sad to see them go, and beyond frustrated at the reason they are closing.

I?ve been in Littleton for three years now, with the intent to move out of state once I?m in a position to make a good promotional move, Littleton has made the wait much more tolerable than I had imagined, and it?s terrible to see the local government treat the 2a community this way.

[Rucker61]

I think it's mostly semantics, yes. Unless the dealer believes that once it is on their FFL books, they must perform a BGC to transfer it out to anyone. This becomes a problem if the buyer on a private sale is rejected by the system. The dealer would then be obligated to run a BGC on the seller before he can let him leave with the firearm, because it's in his books.

I've had this happen.

[Skip]

In this thread we see who has no idea of the requirements of a FFL.
It's not semantics, it is law.
A- A FFL cannot lawfully "Transfer" an asset unless it is logged into their books.
B- The minute a FFL logs an asset into their books regardless of circumstances it is known as an "Acquisition" and therefore, is the possession and responsibility of the FFL until it is "Disposed"(Transferred) of.
C- Unless the FFL is Disposing/transferring the asset to another FFL a 4473 and ensuing BGC must be performed on the party the asset is being transferred to regardless who they are (even the party selling/transferring the asset and wishing to reclaim it).


From HB-13-1229

Letter uses the word broker. "Pawnshops" (broker by CRS) and "firearms broker."

FFL is not necessarily a broker on a transfer. And I think can only be a broker if he has a financial interest in the transfer as a principle. Consignments would probably fit under that since the dealer is arranging the sale.

Momentary custody shouldn't make the FFL a broker. If he is then he has a lot more liability then I think most are aware of.

[FoxtArt]

This thread makes it clear that people don't understand FFL requirements, and LEO often understand them even less than the layperson but have a false belief they understand squat. It goes without stretch of the imagination that Littleton LEO are telling stores this is required "under the law" for "all firearm transactions" and if they don't comply, "they could be arrested". Some of the worst interpretations I've seen of regulation doesn't come even from a random conspiracy nut at the range, but a POST certified officer, because their education can be as little as one semester, of which almost nothing beyond an introduction covers law (much less regulation); so you have that dangerous presumption that they know more than everyone else (e.g. you). So, "you better install that camera, you have to, we're not leaving until you do. "

I think LEO that fully understand firearm and FFL regulations are less than 1/100. While it wouldn't work on me, I could see why the LEO presence and spiel would compel compliance or closure with 95% of stores. And that, in part, is why this is such an issue. It isn't presented as optional, it's implied as required (we need you to register by May 31, 2019....)

[mb504]

So, Rapid Fire Bunker closed for good today.

Related to this issue?

https://rapidfirebunker.com/

At Rapid Fire Bunker, we enjoyed sharing our experience of emergency preparedness and knowing first-hand the importance of quality & instructional services within the Firearm Industry. We had the pleasure of working with thousands of customers and their families over the past ten years, setting the customer service bar higher within the Colorado firearm industry. Each of you touched our hearts and provided lessons that we in turn shared with others.

Providing services to protect and prepare our loved ones, allowed us to make a difference in the lives of every customer that walked through our doors. The smiles and stories that each of you entrusted with our staff etched the very fabric that made Rapid Fire Bunker memorable.

Seek out experiences that uphold your constitutional rights and demand others in the Firearms Industry respect your privacy with all personal information.
Steve, Dawn and the entire staff at Rapid Fire Bunker wish all your future endeavors be filled with adventure and integrity. You will be missed.

[Circuits]

Seems like every time I read a news story, Colorado is broken and just keeps getting worse.

I don't know what to do.

[Squeeze]

I've known Steve & Dawn for many years. I will miss their store greatly. They are great people and I truly wish the best for them both.

[battle_sight_zero]

So, Rapid Fire Bunker closed for good today.

Related to this issue?

https://rapidfirebunker.com/

Yes this is what started the thread. They closed their doors because of this fingerprint ,camera and 3rd party monitoring nonsense.

They were referencing the issue here

Seek out experiences that uphold your constitutional rights and demand others in the Firearms Industry respect your privacy with all personal information.

[hurley842002]

Ok so I went and verified this is happening in Littleton. To prove what I have been saying is true put up a bolt action that I planned to get rid of on Armlist. Buyer agreed to meet me at a Littleton store. Sparta tactical on Bowels. When I got there here is what took place, and must point out everything I heard stories from the other FFL they were asked to do.

#1. Met buyer in store. Let him check firearm over.
#2. Check rifle in at store. Noted camera on cash register. Asked FFL for permission to take pictures.
3. Buyer feels out ATF form.
4. FFL has my license continues check in.
5. Buyer passes background
6. I am directed to position to take photo.
7. Photo taken
8. FFl holds drivers license up for camera takes picture
9. I am given form with strange questions
10. FFl produces another with my picture, drivers license copy and a convient place for finger print.
11. I give fingerprint and sign.

Anyways I have photos of this adventure. I have tried to upload. So someone that can post them I'd be happy to email you.

In closing this seems like extreme overreach to me. I did email the NRA. May never hear anything.

It would appear that "New Sparta Combat Sports" has closed, drove by there the other day and it was completely empty, Google confirmed. Unfortunately I never got to check them out, despite being right around the corner.


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