*CONFIRMED SEE PAGE 7* Littleton PD Requesting online-uploads of video for firearms transactions

[battle_sight_zero]

Thanks I am in Littleton. Thanks everyone but not being aholes. This really happend and seems to be an overreach. As stated the FFL can explain in person to customers.

[BladesNBarrels]

Don't shoot the messenger.

This appears to be a serious problem that he is making us aware of.
It would be nice to know if any other FFL's have been advised and given cameras. And, if so, who is paying for them?

[SpamOnRye]

I saw a post on Armslist about Littleton police requiring video and fingerprints from pawn shops and gun stores. The details are fuzzy but I?ll see if I can find it again.

[SpamOnRye]

I tried to recreate my search and could not find it. It was of an official looking 3 page document stating what was implied in the OP

[Doc45]

Anything more on this? Yesterday, the 18th, I showed this to 3 shops and none of them knew anything about it.

[OneGuy67]

It sounds like a local municipal issue, not a state required thing. The CRS posted deals directly with pawns and how they are handled.

[FoxtArt]

City ordinances can be searched online, almost always. Just sayin'. Not saying it isn't true, but peoples explanations for things are not always fact based. There was a FFL that closed up in Grand Junction several years ago, he made it out to be a big conspiracy. In truth, he was disorganized as hell and failed to keep records. But you'll rarely get a honest, no bull humble explanation from a dealer shutting down. So, like a game of telephone to 100% believe this you have to trust the messenger (I don't doubt that), the dealer who wants to justify a closure (who knows) a LEO officer if that's where it came from, the LEO's supervisor if that's where it came from, the LEO attorney, blah blah blah blah.

If it is all true in some semblance, it's probably a pretty safe call to tell the local LEO to fuck off and you won't install it. What are they going to do as long as you comply with state law.

[Doc45]

Pawnshops will take your print, have for decades. In the “old days” in Denver there was a form you filled out that went to the pd, in addition to 4473.

Still waiting to hear if there is anything more to this.

[Martinjmpr]

Pawnshops will take your print, have for decades. In the ?old days? in Denver there was a form you filled out that went to the pd, in addition to 4473.

Still waiting to hear if there is anything more to this.

Yeah, funny thing about pawn shops....back in 1984 (I think, or it may have been 1983) I was working as an armed security guard at the Johns-Manville facilities in Jeffco (the R&D facility is still there, near Kipling and C-470, the other building is now Lockheed-Martin's 'Deer Creek Facility' in Deer Creek Canyon but it was originally built as the JM World Headquarters in the early 70's.) Anyway, one evening after work I went for coffee with friends at a place in old downtown and foolishly left my pistol (Colt Trooper Mk III) and all my gear in a bag in the back seat of my car and forgot to lock the car. Came back and it was gone. I reported the theft to the police, bought another pistol (A S&W M19 that I still have) and wrote it off as an expensive lesson learned.

A year or so later, I got a letter from the Boulder County sheriff's dept saying they had made an arrest in a crime in which I was a victim. I had pretty much forgotten about the whole thing and had no idea what this was about, I called them up and the person answering the phone said "Oh, you had a gun stolen last year right? Well, we recovered it." Turns out they had arrested someone for drunk driving, and when they inventoried his car, they found my gun.

So when I went to pick it up, I asked the cops if they arrested the guy for having stolen property. They told me he bought it "legitimately" from a pawn shop. So then I said "well, someone sold it to the pawn shop, right? So I assume you tracked down THAT guy?" Uh, no. Turns out that the pawn shop he bought it from didn't record the identity of the person THEY got it from.

Anyway, my point with all this is that while it's true that there are rules that pawnshops have to follow, it's clear from my experience that a lot of these rules only exist on paper, in the real world, some shops follow them and some shops don't.

[hurley842002]

Yeah, funny thing about pawn shops....back in 1984 (I think, or it may have been 1983) I was working as an armed security guard at the Johns-Manville facilities in Jeffco (the R&D facility is still there, near Kipling and C-470, the other building is now Lockheed-Martin's 'Deer Creek Facility' in Deer Creek Canyon but it was originally built as the JM World Headquarters in the early 70's.) Anyway, one evening after work I went for coffee with friends at a place in old downtown and foolishly left my pistol (Colt Trooper Mk III) and all my gear in a bag in the back seat of my car and forgot to lock the car. Came back and it was gone. I reported the theft to the police, bought another pistol (A S&W M19 that I still have) and wrote it off as an expensive lesson learned.

A year or so later, I got a letter from the Boulder County sheriff's dept saying they had made an arrest in a crime in which I was a victim. I had pretty much forgotten about the whole thing and had no idea what this was about, I called them up and the person answering the phone said "Oh, you had a gun stolen last year right? Well, we recovered it." Turns out they had arrested someone for drunk driving, and when they inventoried his car, they found my gun.

So when I went to pick it up, I asked the cops if they arrested the guy for having stolen property. They told me he bought it "legitimately" from a pawn shop. So then I said "well, someone sold it to the pawn shop, right? So I assume you tracked down THAT guy?" Uh, no. Turns out that the pawn shop he bought it from didn't record the identity of the person THEY got it from.

Anyway, my point with all this is that while it's true that there are rules that pawnshops have to follow, it's clear from my experience that a lot of these rules only exist on paper, in the real world, some shops follow them and some shops don't.

Good thing they found your gun during a DUI and not a homicide, not something I'd care to have on my conscience.