Ps. I would have not done this if people would have believed it. I feel that this will spread and put others out of business.
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Ps. I would have not done this if people would have believed it. I feel that this will spread and put others out of business.
Whoa there big guy-Information overload.
What type of "strange" questions?
Why would you consent to this written interrogation?
Why would you consent to your photo being taken?
Why would you consent to your print being taken?
If you don't like the way Littleton is conducting business, why patronize a Littleton business?
I would have told them to fuck right off, I am not applying for a tax stamp or applying for a FFL therefore my prints or photo are not required for a firearm purchase/transfer, you ain't getting them, I'm not providing them and I'm not doing my business with you.
Interestingly the City of Littletons Codes and Ordinances regarding weapons are not available for public viewing.
Last edited by BPTactical; 05-24-2019 at 18:27.
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BP I did it to find out what this new process was. I wanted the correct information to get it to higher channels so that it does not spread. Until someone had proof it was just a rumor. Working on the pictures. Hope all is well with you.
Reminds me of MEPS.
You didn’t take an oath did you?
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Thanks for taking one for the team.
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These are the photos referenced:
So, the letter is normal, that's part of a pawnbroker process, and has been for a long, long time. It seems bizarre to those whom are unfamiliar with pawns, but it's not firearm-targeted, per se; just provides a window of opportunity to LEO and victims since pawn shops are a primary source for dumping stolen goods.
That said, it shouldn't be used in a private party context, and I doubt anyone is requesting it be used in that context. There's so many requirements on everyone that nothing is done 100% consistently, and many dealers are confused or outright bewildered. The questions have changed ever so slightly, with I think the third question being added, but I'm not for certain. At any rate, know that's all been par for the course.
The dealer shouldn't (AFAIK) be using pawnbroker process with private party transfers, which have their own instructions. The fact that the dealer is trying to provide a pawnbroker letter as part of a private party transfer to justify the camera without providing separate explanation is very strange (to me). Even if they are nice people, there is no requirement to utilize video and I'm almost certain they have likely done so only on their own initiative; or at any rate, it's not the product of a department wide policy.
What their motivation would be, I'm not sure. Like I said, I won't smear them, but dealers are often a very bad source for information on all sorts of things, especially regulations and laws. The consistency and quality of info (and the spread of rumor) is often no better than randomly asking a gun enthusiast at a public shooting range. Even LEO get it wrong sometimes. Perhaps they misinterpreted something along the way, who knows.
There's nothing out of the ordinary in the paperwork except for incorrectly applying it to private party sales or regular firearm transactions. Maybe they completely blew it out of proportion and added a video camera when an individual LEO who was also misinformed confused them further. That's my prevailing theory.
ETA: Also I'd still like to thank the OP for digging into this. It is important that we maintain vigilance, to shut down legitimate issues before they grow while also being skeptical.
Last edited by FoxtArt; 05-26-2019 at 13:45.
Thanks for verifying all of this OP. Gotta love the Take Back The Second flyers on the counter.
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I would agree with OxArt's assessment of the situation. Nothing in the statute requires it to adhered to for a private party transfer. I can see an argument for the sale of used firearms to the store or even on consignment, but not for a direct private party transfer.
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate the patience on the matter. I need to get myself a laptop. As for the SHOP in the picture they are just trying to stay afloat. They do not like doing any of this. As for Rapidfire this was call to pack up.
Ps. The cameras were provided by the law enforcement officers not the business. Audio and video feed. Both FFLs informed data was being sent to a 3rd party server. As for me this adventure will be my last one with this camera nonsense.
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