Wow, just wow!

[Great-Kazoo]

For those not familiar with Bob Schaffer . As my state rep years ago Bob was one of the few who actually responded to any calls or letters sent to his office. His stance on the 2nd was unquestionable, as well as his interest in public schools not veering from the academic outline.


Bob was also one of the few, if not the only one who when his term ran out, stepped aside. As he said he would, honoring term limits one of the initial platforms he ran on. Him and Wayne Allard, 2 R's who i truly miss in the political world

[Bailey Guns]

Some things just don't sell without hyperbole.

[.455_Hunter]

Some things just don't sell without hyperbole.

You got that right...

While Schaffer declined to discuss any disciplinary actions involving students with the Coloradoan, citing student privacy laws, he said neither prank was sanctioned by the school but added that the condom prank "dramatically disrupted" the last 2 weeks of school.

Schaffer said school administration had to watch surveillance video, hold board meetings and have conferences with the parents of child victims.

and this kicker...

Schaffer said the school doesn't have specific policies banning condoms on campus, but the heinous activities that took place are wholly inconsistent with the purpose of the graduation ceremony.

Sorry- I would use the term "heinous" to describe the Bigelow family road rage shooting, not Sally Prudeville finding a condom package in her locker or binder.

And this gem...

After the prank, the girls said school administrators threatened to prevent any seniors from walking if no one came forward.

I know Bob Schaffer was a great congressman and the school sounds like a excellent institution, but the judgement is this case is lacking, seeming way more vindicative than retrospective.

[CS1983]

Ah, so you're one of the ones whose own understanding of freedom vs liberty vs license vs vice has been rolled into one thing erroneously titled "freedom"?

You, sir, are a major part of the problem because you divest yourself of even the reality of the Founding Fathers, and, as it were, the philosophers and philosophy which led to the founding of America, and which Liberty Commons is trying to retain.

Read Locke:
https://www.cooperative-individualis...cence-1690.htm

Read this essay on the difference between Liberty and License:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965223/posts

If you reject this, and cannot see how the principles in play are not of profound importance, then you might as well drive to DC and wipe your ass with the Constitution. Why? Because this tendency towards license-aping-liberty is exactly why this nation is utterly doomed.

*wipes up puke from having to reference Locke*

[.455_Hunter]

Ah, so you're one of the ones whose own understanding of freedom vs liberty vs license vs vice has been rolled into one thing erroneously titled "freedom"?

You, sir, are a major part of the problem because you divest yourself of even the reality of the Founding Fathers, and, as it were, the philosophers and philosophy which led to the founding of America, and which Liberty Commons is trying to retain.

Read Locke:
https://www.cooperative-individualis...cence-1690.htm

Read this essay on the difference between Liberty and License:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965223/posts

If you reject this, and cannot see how the principles in play are not of profound importance, then you might as well drive to DC and wipe your ass with the Constitution. Why? Because this tendency towards license-aping-liberty is exactly why this nation is utterly doomed.

*wipes up puke from having to reference Locke*

Wow!

I am part of the problem because I don't agree that a box of condoms showing up in a high school rises to the outrage level of "heinous".

Good grief.

[CS1983]

Wow!

I am part of the problem because I don't agree that a box of condoms showing up in a high school rises to the outrage level of "heinous".

Good grief.

Yes.

Society as a whole is now degenerate and people wonder why. Why? Because it has deviated from the norm of understanding the proper application of liberty and has conflated it with license, shifting even to conflating vice with something in which all men have liberty to partake(!?). This is something the Founding Fathers and their philosophical resources warned against in no uncertain terms. Why? Because it is, historically, the demonstrable point at which society begins crumbling and anarchy soon follows. When individual men are no longer virtuous, they cannot form a virtuous society. It's not hard to grasp this. It is hard to come to grips with the reality that such a thing places an onus on the individual man to himself be virtuous. Why? Because they have to then stop doing their degenerate, deviant behavior with the mentality that it "doesn't hurt anyone", "in the privacy of their own home", the compartmentalization inherent in such behavior (and the resulting schizophrenic reality), etc.

In general, the social upheaval at large seems to be 1-2 generations after the initial point at which individuals begin to deviate and accept its normalization. Ergo, the present problem is not the fault of millenials (though they are at fault for their own actions), but the fault of Gen X and Baby Boomers (read: hippy generation). And that actually was the fault of the so-called "Greatest Generation" for allowing their kids to engage in the mentality of the 60's. Imagine how utterly libertine things will be in 20 years. And since that will result in an increase of crime, need for authority to stem the tide, etc., guess what the government's role will be: authoritarian dictatorship the likes of which would make Orwell and Wells roll over in their graves. Ironic, isn't it, that the one thing which could have stopped lawless immorality and authoritarianism is adherence to proper authority and virtue? ...So a kingdom was lost, all for want of a nail.

When a young adult/teen takes to school an object which itself only exists because of a conflating of liberty and license, and then introduces that object into a setting where it has no contextual necessity, and in doing so causes a myriad of potential and actual consequences, disrupts the good moral character the school seeks to impart, etc., consequences must follow in response.

Here's Colonel Mike Mullane's presentation of the normalization of deviance. If you want to know why this country is now a giant liberal cesspit and will die in a self-lit conflagration: simply watch the below and then apply the principles in play to morality, politics, and the satanic concept of "do what thou wilt". This is contra traditional moral, philosophical, political, and consequent boundary-based obstacles to degeneracy.


Part1


Part2


Parts3-4 in next post.

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In general, the social upheaval at large seems to be 1-2 generations after the initial point at which individuals begin to deviate and accept its normalization. Ergo, the present problem is not the fault of millenials (though they are at fault for their own actions), but the fault of Gen X and Baby Boomers (read: hippy generation). And that actually was the fault of the so-called "Greatest Generation" for allowing their kids to engage in the mentality of the 60's. Imagine how utterly libertine things will be in 20 years. And since that will result in an increase of crime, need for authority to stem the tide, etc., guess what the government's role will be: authoritarian dictatorship the likes of which would make Orwell and Wells roll over in their graves. Ironic, isn't it, that the one thing which could have stopped lawless immorality and authoritarianism is adherence to proper authority and virtue? ...So a kingdom was lost, all for want of a nail.

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Great points/thoughts!

There really was no stopping the bad Boomers though IMHO. That was the whole point of making immorality anti-authority and rebellious (by design). It was self-insulated from any voice of reason just as the descendants of that movement call anyone who disagrees today a "racist!" Xers are a mixed bag. Millennials were programmed to fail.

I think a lot of this is bigger than most folks realize, a test of sorts. And it's not necessarily about tolerance (as I think OP was advocating rather than indorsing the behavior) but people falling for this corruption in their own lives and not being able to recover. I just can't even get my head around the things being pushed on kids and younger people (up to millennials).

My personal values evolution watching this unfold for the last 20 or so years...

[Bailey Guns]

If you reject this, and cannot see how the principles in play are not of profound importance...

I think this is the root of the problem...a sort of macro vs micro view of the issue.

[.455_Hunter]

I think this is the root of the problem...a sort of macro vs micro view of the issue.

Yes- The downfall of the Republic is linked to the failure of school administration to overreact to a senior prank that ended up offending the sensibilities of some overly sheltered families. Heaven forbid the school found out what most of the boys are doing everyday, probably some at the school too.

Once again, what would your response be if incident was mirrored- A student at SJW diversity and tolerance charter school slipped some copies of "Guns and Ammo" into lockers and binders and was banned from graduation for hate speech.

[Bailey Guns]

Yes- The downfall of the Republic is linked to the failure of school administration to overreact to a senior prank that ended up offending the sensibilities of some overly sheltered families. Heaven forbid the school found out what most of the boys are doing everyday, probably some at the school too.

Once again, what would your response be if incident was mirrored- A student at SJW diversity and tolerance charter school slipped some copies of "Guns and Ammo" into lockers and binders and was banned from graduation for hate speech.

It's a strawman argument, but whatever. My employer has certain rules they expect me to follow. It's up to me to decide if I want to follow them. If I don't, and I don't get caught, it still doesn't make it right. If I don't follow the rules and I do get caught that's on me. If they decide to punish me then I have no business whining about it.

Furthermore, who are you to decide how a parent raises their kids or what moral values the head(s) of a family wish their families to uphold? You've gone from attempting to defend your position to attacking the parenting abilities of people you don't know, and basically accusing other students of doing wrong without any evidence to support that, based on nothing more than your opinion is this was blown way outta proportion. I find that far more disturbing than the fact that some parents may have become upset over the prank.

You wanna know what I really think of this incident? I actually agree with you that this was probably a harmless prank gone wrong, likely no harm was meant and I could easily be convinced it was an over-reaction on the part of the principal. Having said that, I also think it's really none of my business how the principal handled it. He did what he thought was best for the school and the students. He's paid to make those decisions. You and I can think it's an over-reaction all we want. He has every right to impose the punishment he sees fit. The "guilty" students could've made the choice not to make a political statement and violate the rules or code of conduct or whatever it is. They chose to make the wrong decision and they're paying the price. Too fuckin bad.

I'd feel the same way about your G&A scenario. If it's a place where students were told that's not an acceptable publication on campus and they did that and got punished, well, so be it. I'd think it was foolish but they had a choice to follow the rules or not follow the rules.