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    Possesses Antidote for "Cool" Gman's Avatar
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    If the government is going to pay for education, tuitions will go up.

    50% of those that go to college and don't graduate still get saddled with student loans.

    Pretty amazing that the tuitions are so expensive for educations that are of such low quality.

    If you want the degree, then *you* pay for it. The government has no business making student loans or using tax dollars to fund them.
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    You can get a credited free transferable community college courses during High school, if they are far advanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Now I'm confused. I assume the meme must be referring to some statistic that more people don't go to college than those that do. I'm curious as to how the income levels and tax rates really shake out on who's paying for what though.

    As to the topic at hand, college is clearly broken (in no small part thanks to the government, as usual), but erasing debt does nothing to fix the problem. People who've taken out loans they don't feel like they can pay back must take responsibility for their decisions. It IS bullshit how much college costs, but no one forced you to take those loans. Check cashing and payday loan places have interest rates up to over 1,000%. 1,000%. But no one is talking about rescuing those people.

    College can be fixed, but forgiving the debt while not changing anything else is much more a complete failure than it is even a band aid approach.
    Sounds kind of like the medical insurance issue....

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    Hmmm...seem to remember a subplot in a movie about eradicating debt by blowing up the banks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrena View Post
    You can get a credited free transferable community college courses during High school, if they are far advanced.
    You can actually graduate HS with an associate's degree and even some work toward your third year of college, free, if you're smart enough and work hard enough. AP tests, CLEP tests, taking college courses in lieu of more advanced HS courses.

    My nephew in Santa Fe went to a charter school affiliated with SFCC and about 1/3 of his class graduated with AS or AA degrees in addition to their diplomas. My nephew was lazy, he only got the equivalent of a year of free college credits with his diploma.
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    Libs think we whine about "moral hazards" for fun, but this will have significant consequences. They are effectively teaching young people that there is no need for work. Just vote yourself money!

    So what do Marxists do when they've removed the natural incentives for work? In an economy based on the government redistribution of finite resources that have to be created?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFOGGER View Post
    Hmmm...seem to remember a subplot in a movie about eradicating debt by blowing up the banks...
    HEY! What's the FIRST RULE?????
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    The people pushing for this the hardest are the colleges and universities themselves.

    The LAST thing they want is for people to actually apply a cost-benefit analysis to the choice of whether to go to college.

    Because if people did, enrollment at colleges nationwide would probably drop 50% or more.

    Once everybody has a BA, what is the value of a BA? Virtually nothing. In some industries it's already to the point where merely being a "college graduate" doesn't even open the door anymore. Unless you graduated from an ivy league school, if you don't have an advanced degree or some significant experience, your resume goes into the circular file.

    IOW that BA in "communications" from Drunken State University is about as valuable as your "employee of the month" trophy from Wendy's.

    Colleges and universities are the perpetuators of the biggest scam currently running in the USA - the one that says "if you don't go to college and get a degree, you won't be able to get a good job." So we have people with BA's in Creative Writing slinging coffee at Starbucks while businesses that employ technicians are having to import them from other countries in order to get their work done.
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    What a dope I was for paying my school loan off





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    Quote Originally Posted by babarsac View Post
    What a dope responsible member of society I was for paying my school loan off





    /serious
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