Free College and Discharge of Existing Student Loans

[Irving]

Once everybody has a BA, what is the value of a BA? Virtually nothing. In some industries it's already to the point where merely being a "college graduate" doesn't even open the door anymore. Unless you graduated from an ivy league school, if you don't have an advanced degree or some significant experience, your resume goes into the circular file.

Well, maybe not. Perhaps from a very narrow employer perspective. But I doubt you'd ever hear someone say (not now anyway), "What's the value of being able to read if everyone else can read just as well as you?"

[TFOGGER]

Well, maybe not. Perhaps from a very narrow employer perspective. But I doubt you'd ever hear someone say (not now anyway), "What's the value of being able to read if everyone else can read just as well as you?"

This would be a valid analogy, if college degrees were truly about education. Sadly, college ends up being expensive daycare for superannuated adolescents more often than not, and those that want to truly learn about most things can do it without the dubious benefits of the college environment.

[Gman]

When you can get a degree in "Puppet Arts", "Bagpiping", or "Surf Science and Technology", what's the real goal here?

[Irving]

When you can get a degree in "Puppet Arts", "Bagpiping", or "Surf Science and Technology", what's the real goal here?

This has mostly been a dumb argument and it's more tired now than ever. You can have a PhD in physics but it doesn't matter if that's not what your profession is about

[fj605]

Seems like post-secondary education has become diluted. I don't think you should necessarily be a subject matter expert after a BA/BS but you should be able to hold your own. Cut out the crap courses that have nothing to do with the degree and spend that time on worthwhile courses. I am also a believer that instructors should have real world work experience.

I didn't know the first thing about the oilfield but I took a job that had me living on the rigs for the majority of every month. The pay was great and I lived like a peasant to pay my student loans off in a year. It was far from my dream job but it was a job and it opened a ton of doors to much more enjoyable jobs.

[Irving]

Seems like post-secondary education has become diluted. I don't think you should necessarily be a subject matter expert after a BA/BS but you should be able to hold your own. Cut out the crap courses that have nothing to do with the degree and spend that time on worthwhile courses. I am also a believer that instructors should have real world work experience.

Agreed. I seriously considered minoring in Geology when I was in college. I had zero interest in geology, but it would have only taken like 2-3 more classes to get a minor. I had exactly one geology class to get me that close. I was taking other bullshit classes to fill up credits anyway and though "why not?" I went into college knowing that it didn't matter what I majored in, and never had any intention of pursuing a career in whatever major I chose. If I thought that way, I wasn't the only one; and if people go into college with that mind set, then it's kind of an issue. On the other hand, I went to the cheapest college I could and spent as little time there as possible and never had any student loans to complain about either. The types of jobs I've pursued have asked about my grades, or even where I went, exactly zero times, let alone what my major was.

There are a lot of propped up industries in the world, and college is just another one of them.

[MrPrena]

This is why I like Michael Faraday. Of course he lived in different times than now, but wow.
He was too smart to even go to High school. University? He was probably laughing at Harvard and Cambridge.

[Jer]

I chose not to go to college so allow me to explain to you how I revel in the idea of paying for someone else's college education. Please explain to me again how their financial success helps me ultimately.

I guess they assume that because I didn't receive secondary education I'm dumber than a box of rocks and we'll fall for such nonsense. How about you just let me keep more the money I earned and I will worry about my own financial success and well-being.

Through hard work, smart decisions & fiscal responsibility I've done just fine for myself. I guess these are foreign concepts to our government.

[skoodge]

I chose not to go to college so allow me to explain to you how I revel in the idea of paying for someone else's college education. Please explain to me again how their financial success helps me ultimately.

I guess they assume that because I didn't receive secondary education I'm dumber than a box of rocks and we'll fall for such nonsense. How about you just let me keep more the money I earned and I will worry about my own financial success and well-being.

Through hard work, smart decisions & fiscal responsibility I've done just fine for myself. I guess these are foreign concepts to our government.

Yes, but that's not fair! Isnt socialism about being equal. No matter how hard you do or dont work?

I went to college, I have an AS and a BA. It may have taken more years, and money, than it should have. But guess what, I got a job, worked hard, and paid off the loans. I even had a decent car and a house.

These socialists just arent willing to put in the hard work it takes. They expect high paying jobs with their underwater basket weaving degrees, while also charging up their credit cards, or so claims the articles I've read.

I swear they're just racing to see who can cause a civil war the fastest. Clause I know I'm not paying for their bad choices/mistakes.

[Rucker61]

Employers aren't going to pay for those social degrees. Someone has to, because they're important for society /s