Rifle OAL Question

[kidicarus13]

You must have missed Post a Picture of Your Latesr Purchase post #13728

[Skip]

Nope.

[snip]

You must have strong wrists.

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I finally got around to reading the whole letter from SA Friday's post in Legislation...

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/174648-...ference-to-AOW




The article wasn't clear but this paragraph is easy enough for me to interpret. Like whitewalrus said, a rifle is designed to be fired from the shoulder and this one is. Although it will fire while collapsed, like many other folding stocked rifles, that is not the design.

I think for me to get in trouble the ATF would have to say the muzzle device is excluded from OAL AND this gun is not designed to be fired from the shoulder which would be hard since the gun will have a Magpul stock.

Or they could just arbitrarily change the rules on me.

I guess I'll continue with my plans. I really didn't want to pin that break. It's decent but I might want something else some day.

[CS1983]

Just do whatever you want, and if some range nazi wants to see your tax stamp, show them the American flag tattooed on your weenie.

[Wulf202]

There's a separate letter saying you have to measure with the smallest configuration that it can be fired from flat against a wall

[Irving]

Does one shot count? You can fire a single round without a buffer tube at all I imagine.

[brutal]

There's a separate letter saying you have to measure with the smallest configuration that it can be fired from flat against a wall

Please post it up.

That's not how OAL is measured when doing a Form 1.

[Skip]

Yes, please post.

From the wall, I'm fine with my estimates as long as the muzzle device isn't removed. That's where I'm fuzzy. But they could remove any part of a firearm and jam anyone up using that same logic.

The ARAK w/Law can fire folded as a semi-auto. So it can be fired without being on the shoulder but is intended to be fired from the shoulder. I suppose it is like any rifle that could hypothetically be fired in a number ways.

And this is no different from other designs, like the Sig 556 that was available commercially for a couple decades, or folding AKs which I've seen around forever. I'm just not 100% on the specs of those guns other than > 26" unfolded and barrel > 16".

[Wulf202]

Please post it up.

That's not how OAL is measured when doing a Form 1.

I was wrong.

So upon further research that was a comment by an agent about the standard practice of measuring (according to one guy a who's likely retired by now) It was not in a letter but in reference to a letter.


So I looked more for clarification
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/at...ter-2/download
Page 8 lists a specific example for a folding stock measuring and the aol includes the stock as they say if the folding stock is removed it would not meet the 26" minimum

Another specific example cited by many is the uzi equipped with a 16" barrel and a folding stock is sold commercially and has an aol of 24" folded and able to fire.

Hopefully that makes it clear and sorry for muddying the thread

[SA Friday]

You’re fine. 16” barrel and its measured with the stock locked open. Done.

[Skip]

I was wrong.

So upon further research that was a comment by an agent about the standard practice of measuring (according to one guy a who's likely retired by now) It was not in a letter but in reference to a letter.


So I looked more for clarification
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/at...ter-2/download
Page 8 lists a specific example for a folding stock measuring and the aol includes the stock as they say if the folding stock is removed it would not meet the 26" minimum

Another specific example cited by many is the uzi equipped with a 16" barrel and a folding stock is sold commercially and has an aol of 24" folded and able to fire.

Hopefully that makes it clear and sorry for muddying the thread

Thanks for that link. I think it confirms that I should be okay. But it sucks sweating such stupid stuff.