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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    Devils Advocate: (In slightly different circumstances).

    A guy walks in wearing clothing that represents him to be a SWAT officer, with an assumed SMG on a sling on his back. Are you relaxed because his mere clothing proves he is an officer, or are you aware that knock offs are commercially available and people occasionally pretend to be LEO?
    If he's not acting in a threatening manner but he has a gun on his hip or slung across his back, you're not justified in pointing a gun at him. Doesn't matter if he's a real cop or not.
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    The suit is utterly ridiculous too. I don't think anyone believes for a moment that the deputy believed he was going to get shot. (e.g. that the probability of getting shot was anywhere near the probability of not getting shot).

    If I was a judge on the case, I'd love to ask a few questions of the prosecution's attorneys:
    a) Your client is a trained law enforcement officer, correct?
    yes
    b) Your client has been trained with handling emotionally charged and potentially violent situations, and with deescalation techniques, correct?
    yes
    c) Your client has on multiple occasions, pointed his firearm at members of his community, correct?
    yes
    d) And on average, those members of the community don't have training in handling emotionally charged and potentially violent situations, do they?
    ....
    e) Do you have anything to say to the public at large regarding the emotional trauma and physical suffering a person deals with when a firearm is held on them while asked to disarm themselves? I'm sure several members of the community you've interacted with are interested in your admissions, sorry, I mean your "opinion" on that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    The suit is utterly ridiculous too. I don't think anyone believes for a moment that the deputy believed he was going to get shot.
    Deputy smells money. I think this is a hail Mary hoping that the security company will just settle and he gets a new boat or something.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    Security guard was nuts. The deputy was very clearly not emotional during the confrontation, it's going to be very hard convincing anyone it messed him up in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
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    Stupidity abounds....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    But the civil suit and the "emotional distress" is over the top BS. Shame on the cop for that.
    From listening to the wifes past experience with lawyers while working as a car insurance claims adjuster, the emotional distress claim was probably just the lawyers idea because it's hard to prove otherwise.

    But, theres really nothing else that the deputy could file suit again the security guard for, so this probably was the only option to get a suit out there to at least make the story known and not just swept under the rug.

    No?

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    It's certainly his option to file a civil suit if that's what he wants to do. But if that's the worst experience he's ever faced as a cop he's led a charmed life on the street. And the security guard has already been arrested so that doesn't seem to qualify as being "swept under the rug".

    If I'd filed a civil suit against everyone that caused me "emotional distress" while on the job I'd still be in court every day...and I retired 18 years ago.

    In my opinion this guy smells money, plain and simple. This officer wouldn't sue some shitbag on the street that threatened him with a gun, or even assaulted him, because he's not gonna get anything from Joe Shitbag. This security guard, on the other hand, works for a big, fat security company. So, lawyer says, "Name the company, name the guard, name anyone else even remotely connected to either in a civil suit." $$$ is the only motivation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    It's certainly his option to file a civil suit if that's what he wants to do. But if that's the worst experience he's ever faced as a cop he's led a charmed life on the street. And the security guard has already been arrested so that doesn't seem to qualify as being "swept under the rug".

    If I'd filed a civil suit against everyone that caused me "emotional distress" while on the job I'd still be in court every day...and I retired 18 years ago.

    In my opinion this guy smells money, plain and simple. This officer wouldn't sue some shitbag on the street that threatened him with a gun, or even assaulted him, because he's not gonna get anything from Joe Shitbag. This security guard, on the other hand, works for a big, fat security company. So, lawyer says, "Name the company, name the guard, name anyone else even remotely connected to either in a civil suit." $$$ is the only motivation.
    Yup, nailed it.

    No difference from the factory of auto-claims pursued by degenerates.
    3mph fender bender?
    Quick, get in a neck brace! Start acting like you're handicapped for life!

    There's no way to cast it as legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    The LEO was *potentially* an asset, just like every other person who carries.

    He was also potentially someone who was upset with the IRS that was coming in armed. After all, he did receive a letter and wanted to discuss it.


    How do you know which one he was?

    Not that anyone ever gets upset with the IRS....

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