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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    Blue Iris FTW. I own my video and it doesn't leave my house. I can still get notifications and do far more advanced tasks than "ring"
    What sort of cameras do you use and what sort of storage device?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scanker19 View Post
    This. Make them eat the shipping cost and then lower the price. I might be a dick but returning stuff to amazon is my new hobby
    The camera you just bought probably is 'defective' so that's why you are returning it. I use amazon because of how easy it is to return stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    What sort of cameras do you use and what sort of storage device?
    I have the WYZE cameras and so far I am pleased. They aren't standalone though and require power. I wish I could find a better one for the front door as the current sits inside the house and faces outside through the window.
    "But when it's time to fight, you fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark; and brother, it's startin' to rain."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    What sort of cameras do you use and what sort of storage device?
    I use an older blade server as my storage/BI (dedicated only to cameras) with 2TB raid. Even running quite a few, it doesn't consume more than 30% of system resources at any time.

    For cameras, it's a mix. Mostly chinese P.O.E. largely from Amazon (Jidetech - $39 possible, Sunba - $250ish, etc.) some PTZ, but they are not internet connected - all segregated into their own POE lan. (Don't internet connect any cameras, period, they are the #1 hacking entry point). The server - which has multiple NIC's of course, is internet connected through a separate interface, and can present video/pictures etc. from these non-internet cameras through the Blue Iris app / web interface.

    For laypeople,
    POE = Power Over Ethernet, it means you don't run power to any camera, you just have to make sure your network cable makes it there. Special routers "inject" power into spare wires of the network cable - and it can power well over 100' away on most cameras. It makes installation much easier and makes them more weatherproof.
    NIC = Network Interface, e.g. servers have multiple network cards/network ports, so one network port plugs into your camera router (which has no internet) and the computer treats that as network #1, your other network port plugs into your regular router/gateway, your computer treats that as network #2 (which has internet), and they are segregated from each other. You can also get this by buying network cards and putting them into the PC expansion slots on the motherboard of a regular desktop.
    ....so even if the server is hacked, they can't access the cameras, because they are not, in any way, internet connected - worst case, archived recorded files would be exposed in severe "nation state" style hacks.
    ...yet, Blue Iris (server) can still send out notifications to your phone including screenshots, you can access BI through your phone, etc.... and B.I. is going to be inordinately harder to hack than the physical cameras, by many, many orders of magnitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    I use an older blade server as my storage/BI (dedicated only to cameras) with 2TB raid. Even running quite a few, it doesn't consume more than 30% of system resources at any time.

    For cameras, it's a mix. Mostly chinese P.O.E. largely from Amazon (Jidetech - $39 possible, Sunba - $250ish, etc.) some PTZ, but they are not internet connected - all segregated into their own POE lan. (Don't internet connect any cameras, period, they are the #1 hacking entry point). The server - which has multiple NIC's of course, is internet connected through a separate interface, and can present video/pictures etc. from these non-internet cameras through the Blue Iris app / web interface.

    For laypeople,
    POE = Power Over Ethernet, it means you don't run power to any camera, you just have to make sure your network cable makes it there. Special routers "inject" power into spare wires of the network cable - and it can power well over 100' away on most cameras. It makes installation much easier and makes them more weatherproof.
    NIC = Network Interface, e.g. servers have multiple network cards/network ports, so one network port plugs into your camera router (which has no internet) and the computer treats that as network #1, your other network port plugs into your regular router/gateway, your computer treats that as network #2 (which has internet), and they are segregated from each other. You can also get this by buying network cards and putting them into the PC expansion slots on the motherboard of a regular desktop.
    ....so even if the server is hacked, they can't access the cameras, because they are not, in any way, internet connected - worst case, archived recorded files would be exposed in severe "nation state" style hacks.
    ...yet, Blue Iris (server) can still send out notifications to your phone including screenshots, you can access BI through your phone, etc.... and B.I. is going to be inordinately harder to hack than the physical cameras, by many, many orders of magnitude.
    Thank you. I've been wanting home security cameras that I can monitor remotely but have been very reluctant to buy ANY of the mainstream internet connected versions. Your information has lead me directly in the direction I have been looking to go. It's exactly what I wanted to do but couldn't find any resource to help me get started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    Thank you. I've been wanting home security cameras that I can monitor remotely but have been very reluctant to buy ANY of the mainstream internet connected versions. Your information has lead me directly in the direction I have been looking to go. It's exactly what I wanted to do but couldn't find any resource to help me get started.
    Not a problem. If you have any questions at any time, let me know. I used to use related things prior to BI (Vitamin D, for one) but at this point, it's compatibility is impressive. I don't even check if POE cameras are compatible anymore, they just are. Lots of advanced functionality you can do as well, especially if you have the CPU processing. Moving POE's based on motion crossing other zones, for starters. For example, I have one PTZ that will watch the front door (an otherwise restricted and useless view) only when another fixed camera sees someone cross the barriers that lead toward the door. I also have another area send a doorbell sound to my phone when a vehicle turns into my driveway. You do need to have some skill or at least decent amounts of time to research how to do those advanced type of things, but for basics (recording and saving en mass any motion event from multiple cameras) it's not that hard to setup.

    If the drive way thing ain't impressive, I live out in the sticks of Montrose. It's like half a mile.
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