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    Default You downloaded FaceApp. Here?s what you?ve just done to your privacy.

    You downloaded FaceApp. Here's what you've just done to your privacy.

    When an app goes viral, how can you know whether it's all good fun - or covertly violating your privacy by, say, sending your face to the Russian government?

    That's the burning question about FaceApp, a program that takes photos of people and "ages" them using artificial intelligence. Soon after it shot to the top of the Apple and Google store charts this week, privacy advocates began waving warning flags about the Russian-made app's vague legalese. Word spread quickly that the app might be a disinformation campaign or secretly downloading your entire photo album. Leaders of the Democratic party warned campaigns to delete the app 'immediately.'

    I got some answers by running my own forensic analysis and talking to the CEO of the company that made the app. But the bigger lesson was how much app-makers and the stores run by Apple and Google leave us flying blind when it comes to privacy.

    I raised similar questions a few weeks ago when I ran an experiment to find out what my iPhone did while I slept at night. I found apps sending my personal information to all sorts of tracking companies I'd never heard of.

    So what about FaceApp? It was vetted by Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store, which even labeled it an ?"Editors' Choice." They both link to its privacy policy - which they know nobody reads.

    Looking under the hood of FaceApp with the tools from my iPhone test, I found it sharing information about my phone with Facebook and Google AdMob, which probably help it place ads and check the performance of its ads. The most unsettling part was how much data FaceApp was sending to its own servers, after which - who knows what happens. It's not just your own face that FaceApp might gobble up - if you age friends or family members, their face gets uploaded, too.
    ? Geoffrey Fowler/The Washington Post FaceApp, which uses artificial intelligence to "age" people, has gone viral. Tech columnist Geoffrey A. Fowler tried it himself - and explored the privacy implications.

    In an email exchange, FaceApp CEO Yaroslav Goncharov tried to clarify some of that.

    These five questions are basics we ought to know about any app or service that wants something as personal as our faces.
    1. What data do they take?

    FaceApp uploads and processes our photos in the cloud, Goncharov said, but the app will "only upload a photo selected by a user for editing." The rest of your camera roll stays on your phone. You can also use FaceApp without giving it your name or email - and 99 percent of users do just that, he said.

    2. How long do they hold on my data?

    The app?s terms of service grant it a "perpetual" license to our photos. Goncharov said FaceApp deletes "most" of the photos from its servers after 48 hours.

    3. What are they doing with my data?

    Is FaceApp using our faces and the maps it makes of them for anything other than the express purpose of the app, such as running facial identification on us? "No," Goncharov said. Legally, though, the app's terms give it - and whoever might buy it or work with it in the future " the right to do whatever it wants, through an "irrevocable, nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, fully-paid, transferrable sub-licensable license." (Clear as mud?)

    4. Who has access to my data?

    Do government authorities in Russia have access to our photos? "No," Goncharov said. FaceApp's engineers are based in Russia, so our data is not transferred there. He said the company also doesn't "sell or share any user data with any third parties?" - aside, I pointed out, from what it shares with trackers from Facebook and AdMob. (Another exception: Users in Russia may have their data stored in Russia.)

    5. How can I delete my data?

    Just deleting the app won't get rid of the photos FaceApp may have in the cloud. Goncharov said people can put in a request to delete all data from FaceApp's servers, but the process is convoluted. "For the fastest processing, we recommend sending the requests from the FaceApp mobile app using 'Settings->Support->Report a bug' with the word "privacy" in the subject line. We are working on the better UI [user interface] for that,? he said.

    Why not post this information to FaceApp's website, beyond the legalese? "We are planning to make some improvements," Goncharov said.

    Same question for the app stores run by Apple and Google. Those giant companies make money from a cut of upgrades you can purchase in the app. We're literally paying them to read the privacy policies - and vet that companies such as FaceApp are telling the truth. Why not better help us understand right where we download what's really going on? Neither company replied with an on-the-record comment.

    Much better to help us sort through all of this before millions of us upload our faces somewhere we might regret.
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    The alt-tech revolution with apps and operating systems that have in-built privacy can't get here fast enough.
    RATATATATATATATATATATABLAM

    If there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to buy a gun, there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to vote.

    For legal reasons, that's a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    The alt-tech revolution with apps and operating systems that have in-built privacy can't get here fast enough.
    There are a few options out there now.
    https://lineageos.org
    https://unaos.com/
    https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Just another reason to not do the entire "Social Media" thing...
    The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...

    Gun Control - seeking a Hardware solution for a Software problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
    Just another reason to not do the entire "Social Media" thing...
    Besides here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Besides here.
    Forums may be sort of a proto "social media" thing, but they are not really anything like what modern social media has become.

    This site doesn't require your full legal name ... it doesn't log what you do on other sites ... it doesn't insinuate itself between its users and other sites ... its not tracking your pornhub history and its not trying to manipulate its users.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    But it does own your data.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

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    Good info/concerns.

    But what do you think is going to be done with DMV/passport photos? Finger prints? DNA? Rumors about NSA storing "voiceprints" too. All of this can fake a person or his presence.

    Matter of time IMHO.

    This is what freaks me out about DNA. It's presented at 99.999999% foolproof but depends on people being honest and lab techs doing their job from start to finish. And no avg Joe can verify it.

    This cat isn't back in the bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    But it does own your data.
    Let me walk that back a bit. People talk about their personal lives, show pictures of their dogs and what they eat, and any ole stranger can come look. Also, there is a limited control of what you post (can't delete a sale thread). I'm not making a judgment call here, just pointing out that what happens here is not all that different from what we distintas about other sites like Facebook.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

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    Tell Data that Spot is loose.
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