Why I Hate LE Shouting "POLICE!" and Expecting Immediate Recognition

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...and why you need standard cap mags all in one vid.

I don't know what the solution here is. They obviously know the home is occupied. Looks like about eight of them. They made quick work of the security door but the inner door seems to have given some resistance.

Vid is SFW but audio has the n-word.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=s3uf0_1564607275

[Eric P]

8 well placed shots is the solution...

[Irving]

What are they supposed to yell?

[ray1970]

What are they supposed to yell?

Land shark?

[Zundfolge]

Police should not be allowed to conduct dynamic entry except under extreme circumstances (and no, flushing evidence isn't extreme enough because if the entire evidence can be flushed in one flush the crime doesn't meet the definition of "extreme circumstances). I'm saying hostage situations and apprehending terrorists are about the only circumstances that should warrant dynamic entry.

Some schmuck hold up by himself with a gun? Surround the house and wait him out. High value/dangerous arrest warrant? get him when he's left his home, not when he's in his bunker with his arsenal ... if you can't get him outside the house then again, surround the house and wait him out (cut power/water/etc).

If we didn't turn our police into war-zone-like door kickers then criminals wouldn't have much luck pretending to be police to gain entry this way.

[Irving]

If those criminals learned a single thing from other, more successful criminals, they would have had a recording of a robot announcing they were an agent from the IRS or the vehicle warranty department.

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Land shark?

Not falling for it.

Police should not be allowed to conduct dynamic entry except under extreme circumstances (and no, flushing evidence isn't extreme enough because if the entire evidence can be flushed in one flush the crime doesn't meet the definition of "extreme circumstances). I'm saying hostage situations and apprehending terrorists are about the only circumstances that should warrant dynamic entry.

Some schmuck hold up by himself with a gun? Surround the house and wait him out. High value/dangerous arrest warrant? get him when he's left his home, not when he's in his bunker with his arsenal ... if you can't get him outside the house then again, surround the house and wait him out (cut power/water/etc).

If we didn't turn our police into war-zone-like door kickers then criminals wouldn't have much luck pretending to be police to gain entry this way.

Agree! But even limiting RoE to "potential loss of life" only, there could still be issues. "SWATing" is one example.

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If those criminals learned a single thing from other, more successful criminals, they would have had a recording of a robot announcing they were an agent from the IRS or the vehicle warranty department.

Those don't scare me one bit. I would pay to stop the calls though. Wonder why they haven't thought of that?

[ChickNorris]

I don't usually make this flavor of post but I'll bite...

Someone can stand outside & wave about, bang & shout anything they want to try & convince me to allow them entry but I'm not opening my door & certainly not under such a thinly veiled pretense.

Note* the camera did it's job right there.

To be clear, nothing I have done or would do, would ever warrant a sanctioned surprise entry by the 'Police' at my home. That now said & secure in this position, I don't care who is trying to come into my home under any guise, wholly uninvited I'm NOT going to actively assist. I will make a call to Police if possible, I will take a predetermined safe/covered position, I will wait for the threat to subside & I will be armed all while doing so. Simply put, not by the hair of my chinny chin chin.

Honestly, I'm far more concerned about the consequences from choices I'd have to make if someone gained illegal entry into my home after making an announcement. I don't need to defend stuff. An announcement of any kind means they know or assume I AM in my HOME. The way I see it, that erases any doubt of their probable intent & the assumed aim is no longer an essentially benign burglary.

Specific to the link: those boys did not come prepared for a gunfight & likely would have scattered if presented with the reality of a 12 gauge. But, I'm not one to shoot a group of stupid boys on a porch for sport.
Again, that camera did it's job as I could easily prove 'fear for life' from that video. If they had gained entry it would have been wholly different & even while in the legal right, a bad day for all involved, period. While prepared to, I sincerely hope I never have to make that kind of choice.

[MrAK]

Police should not be allowed to conduct dynamic entry except under extreme circumstances (and no, flushing evidence isn't extreme enough because if the entire evidence can be flushed in one flush the crime doesn't meet the definition of "extreme circumstances). I'm saying hostage situations and apprehending terrorists are about the only circumstances that should warrant dynamic entry.

Some schmuck hold up by himself with a gun? Surround the house and wait him out. High value/dangerous arrest warrant? get him when he's left his home, not when he's in his bunker with his arsenal ... if you can't get him outside the house then again, surround the house and wait him out (cut power/water/etc).

If we didn't turn our police into war-zone-like door kickers then criminals wouldn't have much luck pretending to be police to gain entry this way.

I completely agree