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    Zombie Slayer Zundfolge's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickNorris View Post
    To be clear, nothing I have done or would do, would ever warrant a sanctioned surprise entry by the 'Police' at my home.
    That was before Red Flag laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    That was before Red Flag laws.
    Doesn't change the truth with regard to MY conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickNorris View Post
    Doesn't change the truth with regard to MY conduct.
    I've also never done anything to warrant a sanctioned surprise. That doesn't mean I'm not aware that they can and do happen, and it doesn't mean I'm not concerned by it.

    You're one pissed off call from a vengeful/paranoid/insane neighbor, ex, relative, whatever. And I'm not even talking about red-flag.

    E.g. remember the walmart call about the guy "waiving a gun around and pointing it at people"? The "suspect" was on his cell phone, holding a bb-gun from the walmart shelf, pointed at the floor when LEO rounded the corner and shot him. He had never pointed it at a person at any time prior, etc, or done anything other than hold it while on the phone.

    Or the hotel where someone claimed a guy was "pointing a gun at people" and LEO murdered him in the hallway?

    Unfortunately, honesty isn't a common trait when a a lot of people call 911 to report something they find distasteful. Exaggeration is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Police should not be allowed to conduct dynamic entry except under extreme circumstances (and no, flushing evidence isn't extreme enough because if the entire evidence can be flushed in one flush the crime doesn't meet the definition of "extreme circumstances). I'm saying hostage situations and apprehending terrorists are about the only circumstances that should warrant dynamic entry.

    Some schmuck hold up by himself with a gun? Surround the house and wait him out. High value/dangerous arrest warrant? get him when he's left his home, not when he's in his bunker with his arsenal ... if you can't get him outside the house then again, surround the house and wait him out (cut power/water/etc).

    If we didn't turn our police into war-zone-like door kickers then criminals wouldn't have much luck pretending to be police to gain entry this way.
    Absolutely dead on.

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