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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorado Osprey View Post
    " A bullet fired straight up, with no wind, might reach a height of 10,000 feet (about three kilometers), but will come back down at only around 150 miles per hour: just 10% of the speed and with only 1% of the energy as the originally fired bullet." --- https://www.forbes.com/sites/startsw.../#6c821cbc3d22

    That mean a 9mm fired into the air that has a muzzle energy of 350-400 ft/lbs would only be 3.5 to 4 lf lbs of energy. Less energy than someone dropping a soda on your foot from waist high.
    Most bullets aren't fired perfectly straight up though, where their original velocity is terminated. If they aren't fired perfectly vertically, they still retain enough kinetic energy to pierce a body even after apogee - even a couple miles away, or more.

    ETA: I've seen studies on perfectly vertical firings of 30-06, and they did significantly dent boards. They might even have enough energy to go through a shoe and draw blood. 9mm, who knows. We can't draw general conclusions even on a vertical firing from the term "bullet" because they will all have a vastly different drag coefficient backwards (they maintain their gyroscopic spin and point of aim, even as they fall back down). Some bullets might have a much, much higher terminal velocity - like ones that have a tapered base. E.g. comparing a 30-06 to a 45 to a 9mm to a 50bmg even on a perfectly vertical firing, I'd bet at least one of those, probably more, could still kill a person.
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    If you fire a bullet at a low enough angle that it never becomes unstable in its twist, then it will retain much more energy.
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    The article is incorrect on bullets beginning to tumbling in midair... if they were stable shortly out of the barrel they remain so (at whatever angle). Their rotational velocity changes so negligibly during the whole time-of-flight. They literally remain pointed in their original direction the entire time spinning at 20,000 RPM or whatever (invented #) even at APOGEE, which caused SERIOUS problems in the earlier rifled artillery. Long range rifled artillery would impact on the side of the round - with the round still pointed in the original axis of the barrel, if you will - and all the mechanisms for arming/fusing were in the nose. = high rate of "duds".

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    Stories like this remind me of when people drop coins off of tall buildings and kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    The article is incorrect on bullets beginning to tumbling in midair... if they were stable shortly out of the barrel they remain so (at whatever angle). Their rotational velocity changes so negligibly during the whole time-of-flight. They literally remain pointed in their original direction the entire time spinning at 20,000 RPM or whatever (invented #) even at APOGEE, which caused SERIOUS problems in the earlier rifled artillery. Long range rifled artillery would impact on the side of the round - with the round still pointed in the original axis of the barrel, if you will - and all the mechanisms for arming/fusing were in the nose. = high rate of "duds".
    Not true. Some bullets become very unstable as they lose velocity. Some can even tumble and keyhole at long ranges as they go transonic.

    Edit:. Here's the best explanation I can find.

    https://loadoutroom.com/thearmsguide...nsonic-region/

    Also, check out some stuff from Bryan Litz and Applied Ballistics. The dude literally wrote the book on modern rifle ballistics and has done the tests to prove the math.
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    *See also "ballistic trajectory"
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