Ohio shooting

[Martinjmpr]

By the same logic, by combining gun control with a minor immigration bill, it might convince enough republicans to break party and vote for gun control (esp in areas where their constituents aren't terribly pro-gun) so they can claim they did it for immigration.

That might be true if the level of commitment on the anti-gun side was equal to the level of commitment on the pro-gun side, but it's not. If it was we would have seen strict gun control laws in the first two years of the Obama presidency when the Dems controlled both houses of congress and the white house. But we didn't because "health care reform" was more important to them and they spent all their political capital on that.

As much as Democrats pretend to love "undocumented" they don't care, it's just buying votes. But they REALLY HATE GUNS.

I would say you've got it backwards. "Hating guns" might please a few of the "mad moms" but it doesn't buy the dems one single vote or put one cent into their pockets, so it doesn't help them in any tangible way.

Identity politics, pitting one constituent group against another, and using the power of government to take $$ from disfavored groups and put it into the pockets of favored groups, is where the Dems heart and soul is. That's their source of power.

The last time the Dems went "all in" on gun control, they got shellacked. They haven't forgotten the beating they took in 1994 which still affects their party even today.

The Dems are playing the long game. They know they can't get their program through until they get themselves a veto-proof majority in both houses. They do that by getting as many people as possible to vote for them, and if they're poor and brown, so much the better because people who are poor and brown tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat and they know that.

In that equation, gun control helps them not a bit, and just makes the "red" states dig their heels in that much harder.

On the Republican side, giving in on any kind of widespread gun control is guaranteed to cost them votes and buy them nothing from the Dem voters who will hate them no matter how they vote on guns. So there's no up-side to Republicans supporting anything other than very marginal gun laws that don't really affect anybody who would vote.

[DavieD55]

I think we're going to see the red flagging really intensify to an insane level and it will just become the vehicle for all-out gun confiscation under the lie and guise of safety and security. The red flag laws have the potential to eventually be abused and used in such a way for collective punishment.

People could at some point be targeted by the leftists and goons for minor shit such as an opposing political view on a bumper sticker.

Not saying it will go like this for sure, but the potential for that type of abuse is certainly there considering the political climate in today's society.

Hope I am completely wrong this.

[Skip]

Those were all reactions to other bad things though. STDs have been around since the beginning of time for instance. The reason powdered wigs were even created was because of an STD. Critical Race Theory sounds like a reaction to Eugenics. Environmentalism a reaction to hundreds of years of no regulation in pretty much any industry. Between things like strip mining doing irreparable harm to the natural land that we rely upon and doing things like mass poisoning animals to prop up the domestic sheep industry (that barely even exists today anyway), Environmentalism seems a pretty natural reaction.

I'm not trying to defend any of those concepts, especially where some of them are now, just trying to make the point that none of those things just appeared out of whole cloth by people trying to ruin the country.

The idea I'm trying to communicate isn't there weren't problems, it's that solutions by previous generations were constructive rather than destructive. Even the bad solutions were attempted in good faith. Not so with Boomer Libs who made damn sure to poison the well at every opportunity. And yes, they were intent on either radically transforming the country or overthrowing the government. They just didn't have the physical courage in their youth to do it.

Take racial issues as an example...

Civil Rights Act = constructive, ratified equal treatment in all states, attempts to solve a problem (resolution)
Critical race theory = destructive, never ending racial strife, identity politics, affirmative action, self-segregation

And no one can credit Boomers with the CRA because they were teens/young adults. It was the Greatest that ran that one over the finish line.

Protecting natural resources is also good and necessary. "Anthropogenic climate change" as political/social/economic warfare isn't. Could the issue be addressed without using it as a political weapon? Sure! But the Boomer Libs can't do that because everything takes them back to their often veiled hatred of this country and its citizens.

Again, we're seeing Boomer's best efforts realized in Millennials/Zers. WTF has happened? And it's not just guns/mass shootings... Suicides too.

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I'm going to have to wait and see what comes from Trump's statements this morning. I think it's too early to judge.

The problem with "white supremacy" is that the Left has called everyone a racist simply for disagreeing with them. This has not only given actual white supremacists cover, but the media has gone looking for them and given them a platform to try and link to Trump. CNN recently had Richard Spencer on, for example.

So rubber stamp the "white supremacy" narrative and suddenly 60,000,000 Americans are white supremacists responsible for murder. Or take the label back from the Left and make it meaningful.

"Better background checks" sounds ridiculous and we all know why. National red flag with due process... Ok but how does that work in terms of logistics and funding? Take the guns but leave the crazy/evil people in society? Not a fan.

It's seems like Trump is just being defensive politically and saying the things that heads off typical media criticisms.

[Skip]

I think we're going to see the red flagging really intensify to an insane level and it will just become the vehicle for all-out gun confiscation under the lie and guise of safety and security. The red flag laws have the potential to eventually be abused and used in such a way for collective punishment.

People could at some point be targeted by the leftists and goons for minor shit such as an opposing political view on a bumper sticker.

Not saying it will go like this for sure, but the potential for that type of abuse is certainly there considering the political climate in today's society.

Hope I am completely wrong this.

I read elsewhere this is exactly how the USSR dealt with dissidents, abusing "mental health." I was all ears when they called Christians mentally ill for this very reason.

Kicking in the doors of people who have committed no crime, because of their beliefs and exercising of a civil right, will make things very interesting, very quick.

[Skip]

In case anyone wants insight on the "white supremacist" angle...

https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status...60628592209920




He's trying to say "eradicate" isn't a call for democide/mass murder after being called out but I think it's obvious that's what he's saying should happen given the subject.

This was in response to Conway saying "Working as one to understand depraved evil & to eradicate hate is everyone?s duty. Unity.
Let?s do this."

https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/s...30724856811522

[Irving]

Maybe people can just be sent to camps where they pray the white supremacy out of them.


*That's just a joke of history, not trying to insinuate anything else.

[FoxtArt]

That might be true if the level of commitment on the anti-gun side was equal to the level of commitment on the pro-gun side, but it's not. If it was we would have seen strict gun control laws in the first two years of the Obama presidency when the Dems controlled both houses of congress and the white house. But we didn't because "health care reform" was more important to them and they spent all their political capital on that.

Oh boy. I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree and point to history over my shoulder. The funny thing about divisive two party politics is the thing people fear generally happens when they aren't watching, and it doesn't cost any political capital to the politicians they are already comfortable with. Rabid anti-gun bills were introduced in every session during Obama. They simply would've cost too much political capital because all the pro-gun folks were foaming mouth-militia-flag-waiving RABID because "Obamas gunna' ban muh guns!" If OBAMA introduced a gun compromise bill that cost us nothing (congress introduces, but bear with me we are talking about Americans here) pro gun folks would've been RABID because it had his name on it. OBAMA COULD NOT HAVE EVEN "BANNED" BUMP STOCKS.

And yet, when a conservative takes office, that's when your risk your major anti-gun bills go through. Case in point: Ol' Ronald Regan. Case in point: People on this site who think Donnie has a strategy or it all works out. It's far, far easier to get your costly bills through when your opposition isn't office, believe it or not. Because your "supporters" have no other choice, it's not like they'll go and vote for democrats. It's why I sold what firearms I had during the Obama admin in mid panic. I wasn't even a tiny bit worried about "bans". And lo and behold, I was right - but I have been around awhile. But, I am worried about bans now.

Race issues are not actually getting worse during this session, and all the SJW are foaming at the mouth rabid. But surprisingly, they did get worse under the Obama administration by leaps and bounds, and the SJW were relatively quiet.

When people should be MOST guarded is when the party they are comfortable with is in power.

Mark my words: Donny won't veto a ban on just about anything. If congress votes for something, he'll back it and try to get his smiling doofus thumbs-up endorsement publicized and claim it was all his idea. Yes, even an AW ban. Problem with narcissists is they only care about winning, so if he gets an immigration bill to pass, he doesn't care if everything else burns for it, it's a "win" in ol' Donny's book.

[FoxtArt]

In case anyone wants insight on the "white supremacist" angle...

https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status...60628592209920




He's trying to say "eradicate" isn't a call for democide/mass murder after being called out but I think it's obvious that's what he's saying should happen given the subject.

This was in response to Conway saying "Working as one to understand depraved evil & to eradicate hate is everyone?s duty. Unity.
Let?s do this."

https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/s...30724856811522

Aspects of all of this reminds me of the french revolution.

[Skip]

Maybe people can just be sent to camps where they pray the white supremacy out of them.

*That's just a joke of history, not trying to insinuate anything else.

Like, a summer camp or something?

More...

[BPTactical]

In case anyone wants insight on the "white supremacist" angle...

https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status...60628592209920




He's trying to say "eradicate" isn't a call for democide/mass murder after being called out but I think it's obvious that's what he's saying should happen given the subject.

They are not even attempting to hide it anymore.
They would happily march you into a ditch ala Babi Yar.