Ohio shooting

[FoxtArt]

Good post skip. In case anyone isn't keyed in, I was broadly referring to problems changing, e.g. not limited to the field of guns or mental health.

It's easy to think of the "good" things of the good'ol'days, but we forget the bad. And who knows what influence that bad had on society either way.

Remember how everyone had a "drunk angry dad" and domestic violence against kids/spouses was pretty common place? Remember when teen pregnancies was at an all time high, and sexual abuses were never reported?

Some will say that the lack of "beating kids" is the problem now, but that arguments made with the blinders on.

I would say a problem that a lot of kids have is that they lack a guide for emotional range, because they haven't experienced real problems. Whether or not that correlates into this bigger issue I'm not going to presume; but it sure does elevate the level of Histrionics and psuedo histrionics, and annoying bitching about things. I CANT FIND A PARKING SPOT WAAAA.

Basically we're all capable of the same emotional range, if a person hasn't ever experienced real problems in 20+ years of existence to compare their future problems against, then their emotional range skews from 1:100 over retarded garbage. They can act and feel like their kid just died if someone casually and politely rejects them on a date, for instance.

So ironically, what if one of the causes of these increases in issues isn't due to us being worse than the past, but actually... being better?

[FoxtArt]

Davie:

Sort of on point, but not exactly responding to that, I'm reasonably sure that a large part of Qanon is one of the foreign nation injections I've been talking about. As is a small part of ANTIFA and BLM.

[Skip]

Good post skip. In case anyone isn't keyed in, I was broadly referring to problems changing, e.g. not limited to the field of guns or mental health.

It's easy to think of the "good" things of the good'ol'days, but we forget the bad. And who knows what influence that bad had on society either way.

Remember how everyone had a "drunk angry dad" and domestic violence against kids/spouses was pretty common place? Remember when teen pregnancies was at an all time high, and sexual abuses were never reported?

Some will say that the lack of "beating kids" is the problem now, but that arguments made with the blinders on.

I would say a problem that a lot of kids have is that they lack a guide for emotional range, because they haven't experienced real problems. Whether or not that correlates into this bigger issue I'm not going to presume; but it sure does elevate the level of Histrionics and psuedo histrionics, and annoying bitching about things. I CANT FIND A PARKING SPOT WAAAA.

Basically we're all capable of the same emotional range, if a person hasn't ever experienced real problems in 20+ years of existence to compare their future problems against, then their emotional range skews from 1:100 over retarded garbage. They can act and feel like their kid just died if someone casually and politely rejects them on a date, for instance.

So ironically, what if one of the causes of these increases in issues isn't due to us being worse than the past, but actually... being better?

I think a hallmark of good parenting is producing children that are "well adjusted." Which I take to mean can handle most of life's challenges in spite of not having experienced that specific challenge. 100 years ago kids were getting married at 16, promptly having children, and supporting them with work. They weren't trained for all those challenges and didn't break.

We sent 17+ year olds into battle with 11lbs bolt guns to face gas and arty attacks. How many came back as mass shooters?

And that's the remarkable thing and a great point... I've talked to people who hate God because of the horrible things that have happened in their lives. I don't agree but understand their anger/grief. They still aren't mass shooters.

These kids are inexplicably lost, or intentionally destroyed, mostly without significant challenge. In some cases evil has filled a vacuum.

Another thing to consider... When a human takes a course of action to achieve a stated goal, that is not necessarily mental illness. If a racist murders people of the background he claims to hate, that is not mental illness. That is a rational behavior according to his values.

If someone has committed a mass shooting in hopes of advancing gun control or gaining notoriety, again, perfectly rational behavior.

It's evil.

Tomorrow I think Trump will try to frame this as mental illness and a lot of people will support that but I'm not sure that does anything for us. There is simply too much to be gained from mass shootings for a variety of people for this trend to stop unless we start fighting back (CCW, eliminate GFZs, etc). If he calls for gun control, it will be the same as calling for more mass shootings.

[Ah Pook]

Sorry, not reading multi page posts.

Spent 9 years outside of Dayton. Spent some time in the Oregon District. Even wrote a term paper on the historic district. What does this have to do with the egg prices in Hungry? Nothing.

It's sad that family and friends are going home minus someone they love because of some narcissistic, cowardly useless asshole. Plant him face down in a shallow grave.

[Gman]

You guys are working way too hard at this. It was in the first article linked in the thread. It's Trump's fault.

[DenverGP]

Not a fan of his, but this tweet is pretty accurate. And he's getting ripped apart for it.

[Bailey Guns]

I've mostly decided to not even say anything about any of these types of incidents. Not because I don't have anything to say, but because no one really cares for the most part. But, it's kind of cathartic for me when there's really nothing else I can do about things like this that are upsetting. So...

I don't believe this shooting, the one in El Paso, or any of the others are anything more than what they appear to be...the end result of a madman run amok.

Personally, I think these incidents are the result of a hatred so deep (the target of the hatred doesn't matter) that it basically just consumes the person. Combined with the hate is a remarkable lack of any sort of coping mechanism or any sort of logical thought process that might help with problem solving. It's a personal, mental flaw that is so profound it's difficult for "normal" people to process and understand. Frankly, I think that's why the conspiracy theories pop up and the blame game starts. It's a way for people to try to make sense of the non-nonsensical.

Does it really matter if the person is an Obama lover or a Trump hater, a republican or democrat, black or white? I don't think so. I don't think it matters a bit except it provides a convenient excuse for others to foment actions and emotions sympathetic with their pet cause.

It's just sad it comes to this with a small number of people. But the reality is it's always been this way with mankind. The weapons and the scale and the victims and the "cause" may change but the outcome is always the same.

[Skip]

There was another... (back on July 13th)

‘TRAGEDY AVERTED’: Feds Say They Have Thwarted a Mass Shooting Plot In Lubbock, Texas

https://breaking911.com/tragedy-aver...lubbock-texas/

Mr. Williams later gave officers consent to search the room he’d rented at the hotel, where officers found an AK-47 rifle, seventeen magazines loaded with ammunition, multiple knives, a black trench coat, black tactical pants, a black t-shirt that read “Let ‘Em Come,” and black tactical gloves with the fingers cut off. Mr. Williams told officers he had laid out his weapons on the bed so that law enforcement could take custody of them.

Eight days later, ATF received the firearms transaction form (form 4473) that Williams had completed on July 11, when purchasing the AK-47. On the form, Mr. Williams listed his relatives’ address, where he no longer resided. Agents discovered that although Mr. William’s driver’s license showed the family members’ address, Mr. Williams was actually living with a roommate at a different address, following eviction by his relatives. He had allegedly misrepresented his current address on the firearms transaction form.

[kidicarus13]

Looks like the shooter's AR had a 10.5" barrel along with a stabilizing brace.

[hollohas]

Looks like the shooter's AR had a 10.5" barrel along with a stabilizing brace.

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