Ohio shooting

[hollohas]

Something being connected doesn't mean it has to be a "massive" conspiracy. A half dozen people who have never met but communicate in a private online chat room could plan to do something bad without anyone else ever knowing they discussed it. Did it happen here? Maybe not likely but we'll never know. The point is it does happen.

Look at the flash mobs that rob Walgreens? Dozens of kids show up to rob the place at the same time. No one knows it going to happen and I've never heard of anyone figuring out who was the master minds. Happens somewhat frequently. Why is it so hard to believe that murders just might plan together too?

You really think the nut job in El Paso never chatted with like minded individuals online? Do you really think it's unlikely he never said "I'm going to do something about it" to his group of like minded individuals? Do you really think it's impossible he never said "you should too" to those same people? Do you really think there aren't people somewhere online saying "let's do this, it will force changes"...? There are people just like him out there.

Connected doesn't mean conspiracy.

Are these connected? Who knows. But it shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

[FoxtArt]

An observation as well: Per capita, the rates of mass casualty incidents* in Asian countries is substantially lower than our own. Their rate of anti-personality disorder is also substantially lower. So do Asians have the best jeans? Well, some of them look pretty nice in jeans, but no. When the same Asian people(s) live in America, they have the same rate of anti-personality disorder we do.

To that degree, it can be attributed almost entirely to differences in broad culture. And I STRONGLY recommend people research for themselves the differences between US and CH culture as an example, because it cannot be not boiled down to "those red bastards" nor can it be called inferior. Here's some examples:

In China:
1) They have incredibly strong familial bonds with their parents, which exceed all other relationships. If I give you a scenario, and say "a van full of your parents, siblings, and your beautiful wife veers off a bridge and into a river. Who do you save first?".
The American answers "my spouse"
The Zhōnggu? r?n answers "my mother" and is disgusted by the American's response.
2) They have no retirement system, you depend on your kid(s) for retirement. That is the driving force for their educational drive and prowess, and the parents invest everything they can muster for their kids success. Conversely, In America, school is mostly about independence, fashion and friends.
3) Parents can sue their children if their children fail to visit or provide that support.
3) Chinese people don't give trophy's for participation (unless the kid is some special member of the communist party). They don't value "self esteem" and "ego". They value collectivism, e.g. "what can you do for (your village) or (your country)."
4) They also don't screw around. For instance, a U.S. tourist's camera was stolen while aboard a train. They stopped the train, searched passengers until they found the camera, and then pulled the suspect off and shot him.
5) Yet, on the side note, they also overlook almost everything. Laws prohibit all kinds of stuff in china, including the way most of their commerce and shops presently operate. Low level scams are far more abundant there than here, and there's little enforcement or even reporting.

Obviously, not all of the differences are good, #3 is probably the biggest influence for reduced rates of the types of disorders that produce psychopaths. It's likely that they have the same genetic rates, they just present differently because their culture doesn't value entitled narcissists and shitheads very much. Here, we idolize that type as the perfect example of the American dream.

[FoxtArt]

Something being connected doesn't mean it has to be a "massive" conspiracy. A half dozen people who have never met but communicate in a private online chat room could plan to do something bad without anyone else ever knowing they discussed it. Did it happen here? Maybe not likely but we'll never know. The point is it does happen.

Look at the flash mobs that rob Walgreens? Dozens of kids show up to rob the place at the same time. No one knows it going to happen and I've never heard of anyone figuring out who was the master minds. Happens somewhat frequently. Why is it so hard to believe that murders just might plan together too?

You really think the nut job in El Paso never chatted with like minded individuals online? Do you really think it's unlikely he never said "I'm going to do something about it" to his group of like minded individuals? Do you really think it's impossible he never said "you should too" to those same people? Do you really think there aren't people somewhere online saying "let's do this, it will force changes"...? There are people just like him out there.

Connected doesn't mean conspiracy.

Are these connected? Who knows. But it shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

Even that can be relatively well dismissed. There's little doubt that online activity can "radicalizes" the extremist of all types, but not in a tight conspiracy way. The probability of any kind of computer activity eventually getting discovered - at least after the fact - is almost all but guaranteed. I'm only aware of a single example of a suspect that could be alleged to have the skill and resources to pull off the digital work necessary to go dark (the Las Vegas shooter). It's not easy. That doesn't mean they don't exist, but yeah, it means that for 99.9999% of the public, if you do something, they will have your search history going back to 1995, together with pretty much all your online activity, and will be able to track the Nigerian scammer down that messaged you in 1998 if they want to.

[Great-Kazoo]

You know what they say about threes.....

They're terrible.




(inappropriate time for a dad joke, I know)


I think we can drop the repeat conspiratory rhetoric, can't we? Unless we're trying to get our entertainment from Irving.

As with any other ill founded realm of tin foil, ask yourself: How much human resources would it take to undertake such a thing, and how much risk would they be exposed to by doing it?

Remember, two people or more working on something and you're guaranteed some millennial's going to blab about it on twitter. The risk they would be exposed to would be the total, permanent loss of their platform. Nope, it's not a conspiracy.

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Simple mathematics (even ignoring the psychology of copycats etc.) will inevitably result in any random numerical set exhibiting some clustering. And ever day of the year is close to another day of the year, and things have to be scheduled on days. Who knew.

I wish everyone would stop politicizing these and we'd just repeatedly brain-scan the surviving shooters until they got stage 4 cancer.

Actually i'll disagree with this. You can get an antifa mob within an hours time . Between tweets, and other social media, it happens when the opposing team is waiting for the call. IMO it's pre-planned and takes off from there. Look at these spontaneous anti trump protest after the election. Full color posters, pink hats etc. There's an overt attempt to unseat the administration as well as push as tough a gun confiscation as possible. before the 2020 election


Hell the antifa crowd is ready to rock in Tx as we type. They've issued a call to action nationwide. Under the banner of Stop Racism and Facisim.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-lt-...080400708.html

[Skip]

[snip]

5) Wonder if the last several years of increasingly demonizing immigrants (especially on the southern border), blaming them for our societal ills, and using them to inspire fear as a way to deflect someones base away from unconformable other topics might have something to do with a similarly minded nutjob driving hours to a border town to carry out his murder spree rather than doing it in his community?

[snip]

ILLEGAL immigrants have been openly discussed in a negative way since the 1980s. Probably earlier but I'm not old enough to recall.

Don't fall for that "immigrant hate" narrative. It's always been illegal immigrants because they do have a profoundly negative impact on the US and a greater negative impact on economically fragile communities. They create a subclass that is economically and politically exploited--don't even think for a second this is humanitarian. And you'd be dishonest to try and dispute any of this.

Mexican nationals shopping at a Walmart here is fine. American nationals shopping in Mexico is fine. No serious person is upset about that.

The Left's plan to through open the borders and replace US citizens is the difference. Never before have we had major mainstream candidates openly state there should be no borders, social programs for all (using our paychecks), and actively work to defraud Americans of "democratic" self-determination. Those same people want the ideas that wrecked these home nations here in the US, imposed on all of us. This is why there is no effort to integrate and assimilate.

Legal = assimilation
Illegal = no assimilation

How does anyone address this and keep it all positive?

I don't personally blame illegals, btw. I blame the politicians/judges (birthright citizenship).

[Skip]

An observation as well: Per capita, the rates of mass casualty incidents* in Asian countries is substantially lower than our own. Their rate of anti-personality disorder is also substantially lower. So do Asians have the best jeans? Well, some of them look pretty nice in jeans, but no. When the same Asian people(s) live in America, they have the same rate of anti-personality disorder we do.

To that degree, it can be attributed almost entirely to differences in broad culture. And I STRONGLY recommend people research for themselves the differences between US and CH culture as an example, because it cannot be not boiled down to "those red bastards" nor can it be called inferior. Here's some examples:

In China:

[snip]

Yes, culture/values.

But China isn't a good example of what I'd want. 60,000,000 people murdered, forced abortions, buried-alive/left for dead baby girls, prison organ harvesting (alive)... Yeah, I can call that inferior.

Japan is interesting but then they have the suicide problem and associated "lost generation." And let's not forget WWII and our protection since.

You want strong families and high investment in children, you don't have to look to Asia. We had that here in the US until the Boomer Libs' sexual revolution. We had guns over the mantle, in the back of pickups. We had guns for sale in the hardware stores, no age limits/BGCs. We didn't have mass shootings.

Most families (of all backgrounds) sat in the pews on Sunday. Dad worked a solid week. Mom was always there. No fault divorce wasn't a thing. Drug war wasn't a thing. We fought and won two world wars with that culture. Industrial revolution, creation of middle class, even the founding of this nation as a Republic, all with that culture.

I find it hard to compare the US to any contemporary nation that isn't facing a long-running demoralization effort by Libs now using an outgroup. This is fairly unique to us as it's been going on for decades. Usually, in history, it comes to blows and is recorded as a revolution/civil war (depending on the outcome). Someone loses, someone wins, and it's settled.

[FoxtArt]

Every generation pulls at the mores of the earlier. I doubt there hasn't been a time in the last two thousand years that the status quo hasn't been under attack by the equivalent of "liberals". I also don't elevate Chinese culture, beyond our own, but awareness beyond our border helps to better understand what's wrong, and it's not just mere liberals. I think even down to the foundation way we do early learning is highly flawed. The way we teach children is screwed from the inset, based on ancient crap logic. [Don't do bad things, cause the god/santa/elf/NSA is watching you!] as opposed to developing, you know, empathy. And I'm not attacking religion there, it can coexist with an empathy strategy, but almost nobody teaches it in that fashion. It's rather bizarre that we teach children here not to be bad because they might get caught. When they test it, and find out they don't get caught, well... there goes that strategy.

How many Americans even know what critical actions in early child development form empathy? I'm pretty sure less than 1%.

It's also easy to get nostalgic and think things were better in the past, but we still had mass killings and much of the underlying issues then (they just didn't guarantee as much media infamy, so the occurrence was slightly less often, and fewer shitheads had the idea). Things weren't better in the "good ol days" nor have they ever been, it's just different. Every generation waxes and wanes with new problems.


ETA: To answer the empathy question, I intend to do a long writeup in the future. In a TLDR way: Expressing empathy to babies and young toddlers is very, very, very important. I cannot express it enough. They learn to mimic it from you and then it becomes real after that. What some people think is "babying" or spoiling is a key component to the earliest child developing independent empathy, and once the milestones pass, the ability to develop real empathy (e.g. also a well developed conscience) largely goes away and becomes impossible. Babies that have very little human contact in infancy or get their attachment screwed up end up with huge cascading effects in their lifetime, a large reason why a lot of adopted kids from certain places are never "right". If your marriage sucks when you have a newborn, SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP. People think it's okay to divorce around young babies because they won't remember it. yet, it's the period of their life (attachment) that it'll actually f' them up the most.

So, if you want good kids, don't bother with elf-on-the-shelf bullshit. Baby the crap out of them when they are babies, give them exaggerated emotional support for their owies and tears when they're little, and then exaggerate your owies so they mirror and express the same for you. BOOM. There's a kid that will never murder someone else, and they're on the road to being very polite and caring with almost no effort on your part.

This is obviously very, very complex and I can't just sum it up in a paragraph, but just passing it along for parents with very young kids who aren't aware of this now.

ETA 2 Also with very young babies, I'm not an advocate of letting them "cry it out" unless absolutely necessary (e.g. parent is running on bare threads). Sure, they develop some empathy with some attachment and some empathy expressed to them. So no, letting them cry it out isn't going to make them start whacking people indiscriminately. But because the window to develop this is so freaking small, and the period is so important, why not maximize the opportunity and mileage in developing their empathy. Giving them comfort and support when they are crying is how they learn to feel. Don't worry about spoiling, psychologically, it's impossible to spoil a young baby. You can use the cry-it-out stuff and other techniques when they are just a little older.

[sniper7]

People will always find a way. Immigrants in Germany and all over the UK are killing people almost daily. Just yesterday I saw one where there was an argument from roommates, the Syrian guy took a huge sword (like the style you see in the movie Aladdin) stabbed the roommate multiple times in the street then hacked his arm off and fled.
Knife attacks are up in huge numbers there.
Or people getting pushed in front of trains.

It’s the mental state of people who somehow think this stuff is ok or justified

[MrAK]

People will always find a way. Immigrants in Germany and all over the UK are killing people almost daily. Just yesterday I saw one where there was an argument from roommates, the Syrian guy took a huge sword (like the style you see in the movie Aladdin) stabbed the roommate multiple times in the street then hacked his arm off and fled.
Knife attacks are up in huge numbers there.
Or people getting pushed in front of trains.

It’s the mental state of people who somehow think this stuff is ok or justified

Sometimes I think the mental state of those people is that the consequences really just don’t matter or apply to them.

[spittoon]

Agree, these shootings are very suspicious. Somebody's pulling puppet strings.

AGREE