Gun Control Idea I just heard...

[FoxtArt]

Wow... So you are saying this isn't an easy answer and due to the problem not being able to fit into a tweet, nothing will be done except on the state level where we will get even more wacky and confusing laws where only lawyers and politicians make a bunch of money from but it does not actually prevent anything from occurring. Then a few months later this happens again and well, rinse and repeat.

No, I'd say there are fundamental flaws in the operation of our judicial system that are but one broken cog in a complicated timepiece that underlays this problem. Anyone that thinks a BCG is going to fix it isn't viewing the macroeconomics of the underlying problem. Anything that says a BCG will never help is also not understanding the "big picture". It's sort of like calling it a mental health issue and saying the fix is to screen mental health without first fixing the underlying mental health system that would enable you to screen it or deny their possession in the first place. Our government operates on a bureaucratic system of piling more laws on top of more laws though - we're missing the necessary forth branch of government (janitorial) which would've made some of things.... possible.

[cstone]

If someone kills someone else while they are in the commission of a crime, the death penalty should apply. Dead people are never repeat offenders. My primary concern with the death penalty is the way it is applied. Today it is more cost effective to warehouse violent criminals for the rest of their life compared to the "make lawyers wealthy" system of appeals we currently have.

I certainly wouldn't object to more citizens, either public safety employees or non-public safety employees, putting armed criminals down while they are committing their crimes. This would certainly resolve the lengthy and expensive judicial process that seems to be less than effective at providing justice to our society.

No person should have their rights infringed because criminals use certain tools to commit their crimes.

My $.02, and worth what you paid for it. Be safe.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't think juvenile records are automatically expunged in Colorado at 18. As far as I recall the person must petition the court to have that done and there is a long list of criteria that would prohibit it from happening. Also, certain LE agencies can access sealed juvenile records under certain circumstances with a court's permission.

So, I think the basic premise in the OP is factually incorrect. Not to mention we already have enough "reasonable" gun control laws.

If a record is not sealed/expunged then the person filling out the form 4473 would have to answer "Yes" to Question 11b and would thus be disqualified from purchasing a firearm.

[KAPA]

I don't think juvenile records are automatically expunged in Colorado at 18. As far as I recall the person must petition the court to have that done and there is a long list of criteria that would prohibit it from happening. Also, certain LE agencies can access sealed juvenile records under certain circumstances with a court's permission.

So, I think the basic premise in the OP is factually incorrect. Not to mention we already have enough "reasonable" gun control laws.

If a record is not sealed/expunged then the person filling out the form 4473 would have to answer "Yes" to Question 11b and would thus be disqualified from purchasing a firearm.

You might be right, I don't know. Really I think one of the main problems with gun laws is that there are so many and they vary from state to state. I never thought it was a good idea to allow states to make their own laws regarding the Bill or Rights. Take care of this at the federal level and outlaw further regulations on the BofR by the states.

The more I think about all this, the more I believe nothing major will come of any of these recent shootings unless another Sandy Hook type thing happens. At most they do something that makes news but does not actually prevent anything so both sides can say they won this month.

[cstone]

As you stated, there are so many gun laws, and obviously up until now (and for the foreseeable future) nothing done in any legislature has prevented anything. To assume that there is some magic formulas for dealing with human beings who behave badly would be foolish in my opinion. There will always be people who society cannot discourage from criminal behavior and thus the choices become warehouses or cemeteries.

Even with the Ohio shooter being killed in less than a minute after opening fire, it will not discourage all future criminals. Some people just need to be put down...one way or the other.

Be safe.

[ChickNorris]

Its extremely difficult for me to make my point without being over the top snarky but here it is:

Why not make (another) law prohibiting homicide?

Oh wait...

[thedave1164]

If a person is not safe to be around weapons, fire, cars, kittens and babies, they should be locked away.

Pretty simple really.

[Gman]

Its extremely difficult for me to make my point without being over the top snarky but here it is:

Why not make (another) law prohibiting homicide?

Oh wait...

Can't make it any simpler. I don't even care for 'hate crime' status associated to homicide. Trying to infer what's in someone's mind isn't where the legal system belongs. The facts show that you killed someone, you die. Next!

[FoxtArt]

If a person is not safe to be around weapons, fire, cars, kittens and babies, they should be locked away.

Pretty simple really.

Thank the US Supreme Court. It apparently violates the rights of the mentally insane (even with homicidal tenancies) to prevent them from killing people, until such time, of course, as they've already killed a bunch of people.

It would be interesting to see a historical graphic of mass shootings contrasted against that landmark ruling.

[Zundfolge]

... I never understood the clean slate at 18 anyway..

Then lets do away with juvenile law completely. If you commit a crime when you're 11 you go to the same jail as a 40 year old.

For that matter if a child is in a stolen car with their parent (who stole it) they get charged as an accessory.

I mean if we're going to pretend that there's no difference between children and adults lets go ahead and lower the voting age to birth.