Ohio shooting

[Irving]

Very little info right now.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...in-dayton-ohio

[BPTactical]

9 dead, 26 wounded.
AR used.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but.....

[Mtneer]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but.....

My first thought after WTF.

[Hummer]

9 dead, 26 wounded.
AR used.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but.....

Agree, these shootings are very suspicious. Somebody's pulling puppet strings.

[spittoon]

Agree, these shootings are very suspicious. Somebody's pulling puppet strings.

AGREE

[CS1983]

I thought this was going to be about the time the National Guard killed people exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

[Eric P]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/ohio-...lope-some-fear

Maybe he was denied a city job for smoking...

[BPTactical]

NRA imploding, gun lobby is weak right now
Dems have shitty candidates and debates have been dismal, none are capable of ousting Trump
Force Trump to act on substantial gun control, he will lose a marked portion of his voting bloc
2 shootings (Gilroy & El Paso) utilize virtually identical weapons (WASR 10, underfolder and fixed)
El Paso shooter travels 600 miles to do his deed and leaves anti immigrant manifesto
Ohio shooting takes place less than 24 hours after El Paso incident



Once is an occurence
Twice is a coincidence
Thrice is fucky

[waffles]

NRA imploding, gun lobby is weak right now
Dems have shitty candidates and debates have been dismal, none are capable of ousting Trump
Force Trump to act on substantial gun control, he will lose a marked portion of his voting bloc
2 shootings (Gilroy & El Paso) utilize virtually identical weapons (WASR 10, underfolder and fixed)
El Paso shooter travels 600 miles to do his deed and leaves anti immigrant manifesto
Ohio shooting takes place less than 24 hours after El Paso incident



Once is an occurence
Twice is a coincidence
Thrice is fucky

1) NRA's own fault. Once they started wading into the culture war bullshit more than absolutely necessary they turned themselves from a disliked lobbying group that democratic politicians in more moderate areas had to be wary of and pay some lip service to (or at least lip service to gun rights) into an enemy that will cost them votes and donations if they're seen as cozy with at all.

2). Your opinion. I'm guessing if you asked a lot of democrats they're liking some of their options. Remember how insane the 2016 republican primary was before writing them off.

3) Trump has already unilaterally taken anti-gun action and has made repeated anti-2A comments when it suits him. "Take the guns then due process", silencers, bump stocks, etc. Gun voters seem perfectly fine to write this off and keep supporting him.

4) AKs and ARs are generally what people use for these massacres for the same reason they (and their descendants or variants) are used for military, law enforcement, and home defense. We can pretend all we want that this guy could do the same thing with an SKS or one of those old semi-auto Remington hunting rifles, but any nefarious action or even normal three gun competition shows that the AR/AK platforms are what someone would be most successful with. Claiming this as a conspiracy point would be similar to making a point if the three shooters drove a Camry, a Corolla, and an Accord, when they're some of the most common vehicles on the road.

5) Wonder if the last several years of increasingly demonizing immigrants (especially on the southern border), blaming them for our societal ills, and using them to inspire fear as a way to deflect someones base away from unconformable other topics might have something to do with a similarly minded nutjob driving hours to a border town to carry out his murder spree rather than doing it in his community?

I'm using this as a place for a general discussion rather than anything personally directed. It's much easier for people to believe there is some massive democratic/conspiracy rather than that there are people, some of whom take inspiration from a political movement you may or may not support, that need very little pushing to do something truly evil. Truth is, democrats don't need more shootings to pass gun laws where/when they take power. We've done an absolutely terrible job as gun owners with outreach or trying to keep guns as their own thing rather than just something to be lumped in with abortion, tax cuts, and other republican issues. If they have the support to get elected, they have the support to get the bills passed.

[Skip]

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5) Wonder if the last several years of increasingly demonizing immigrants (especially on the southern border), blaming them for our societal ills, and using them to inspire fear as a way to deflect someones base away from unconformable other topics might have something to do with a similarly minded nutjob driving hours to a border town to carry out his murder spree rather than doing it in his community?

[snip]

ILLEGAL immigrants have been openly discussed in a negative way since the 1980s. Probably earlier but I'm not old enough to recall.

Don't fall for that "immigrant hate" narrative. It's always been illegal immigrants because they do have a profoundly negative impact on the US and a greater negative impact on economically fragile communities. They create a subclass that is economically and politically exploited--don't even think for a second this is humanitarian. And you'd be dishonest to try and dispute any of this.

Mexican nationals shopping at a Walmart here is fine. American nationals shopping in Mexico is fine. No serious person is upset about that.

The Left's plan to through open the borders and replace US citizens is the difference. Never before have we had major mainstream candidates openly state there should be no borders, social programs for all (using our paychecks), and actively work to defraud Americans of "democratic" self-determination. Those same people want the ideas that wrecked these home nations here in the US, imposed on all of us. This is why there is no effort to integrate and assimilate.

Legal = assimilation
Illegal = no assimilation

How does anyone address this and keep it all positive?

I don't personally blame illegals, btw. I blame the politicians/judges (birthright citizenship).