DILLON's NEW 750 vs 650 Thoughts??

[crays]

Have been seeing some talk about the new 750 coming out to replace the 650. Any thoughts, personal experiences, opinions, etc. ...

Frome UniqueTek:

The New Dillon XL-750 Press
Features and Comparison to XL-650
As of about August 5th, the XL-650 press no longer appears on the Dillon Precision web site and the XL-750 has taken its place. But what is the difference and how will this affect your reloading bench?

The new Dillon XL-750 press does have several significant changes compared to the XL-650 press, but its basic operation hasn't really changed. It still has five Stations and each station still performs the same function. Here is a short list of the changes.

1) Primer System: The most obvious change is the primer system, which is based on, but not identical to, that of the RL?550 press. Indeed the primer bar is longer (4.75" versus 4.5" for the 550) and most parts cannot be interchanged between the two systems. One handy feature is that the Primer System is attached to the press via two studs and thumb nuts ? so you don't need a hex wrench to remove it.

2) New Platform: Modifying the Platform Assembly was necessary due to the change of Primer System. But it looks like Dillon took advantage of the opportunity to make a few additional changes. The Index Pawl has been moved from Station 3 to Station 5 ? requiring that the Index Ball be moved from between Stations 4&5 to between Stations 3&4. This design change places the Index Pawl ahead of the cam of the new Index Ring, so the plastic between is under compression instead of under tension during indexing ? which should yield less breakage. The Indexer Ring is not interchangeable with the XL-650 Indexer Ring.

3) Rolling Wheel Index Block Assembly: The Index Block now features a Rolling Wheel that smooths shell plate indexing. Although it is a simple solid wheel and not an actual ball bearing, it should significantly smooth indexing. The new assembly also incorporates a spring loaded Platform Support Post. It appears that this Post has two functions; 1) It supports the platform from tilting due to the upward force of the primer punch, and 2) It helps return the platform to the neutral position after primer seating. The XL-750 Index Block assembly cannot be retrofitted to an XL-650, but a version that is XL-650 compatible is in the works.

4) Zerk Fittings on Linkage: The upper and lower Link Arm Shoulder Pins have Zerk fittings to make proper lubrication easy. Technically speaking, this isn't new as it was incorporated into the XL-650 a couple of years ago. But there are many of us with older XL-650 presses that may not have heard about it and aren't aware that, YES, it can be retrofitted onto older XL-650 presses. In fact, Dillon has it in kit form that includes everything you need for $51.95.

What hasn't changed? Well, a LOT! The XL-750 uses many of the same parts and accessories as the XL-650, including...
? Dies
? Toolheads
? Caliber Conversion Kits
? Quick Change Kits
? Powder Measure
? Powder Check
? Strong Mount
? Bullet Tray
? Bullet Feeders
? Electric Case Feeder
? Low Powder Sensor
? Roller Handle

[Tim K]

The primer system on the 650 has always been its worst feature. The new one promises to be much improved.

[O2HeN2]

The primer system on the 650 has always been its worst feature. The new one promises to be much improved.

I wish they had gone to the 1050's primer system. It's the most reliable/simplest by far.

O2

[crays]

Some more general info

From Dillon:

Many current and potential customers are asking about the differences between Dillon's XL650 and the nw XL750.
The XL750 has a simplified linear priming system. It only requires the removal of two nuts to detach and change sizes on the primer feed system. Like the XL650, the 750 deprimes in station 1 and primes in station 2, minimizing any chance that spent primer residue could interfere with priming.
The shellplate indexing mechanism has been completely redesigned, so the shellplate turns more smoothly, decreasing cases wobble. The index pawl has been relocated on the ring indexer and the spring direction reversed. This makes it more difficult to accidently break the ring indexer. The index block now has a roller, which also smoothes out indexing.
Additionally, the index block incorporates a spring-loaded overtravel stop, which significantly increases the life of springs on the machine.
All caliber conversion kits, toolheads and most parts interchange freely between the XL750 and the XL650. Parts that are unique to the XL650 will remain in full production.

[Hoser]

I have always thought the 550 was a better press for the money compared to the 650. The 650/750 is worthless without a casefeeder.

If your gonna get a 650/750, just save a few more pennies and get the 1050, especially if you reload 9 or 223.

[whitewalrus]

I have always thought the 550 was a better press for the money compared to the 650. The 650/750 is worthless without a casefeeder.

If your gonna get a 650/750, just save a few more pennies and get the 1050, especially if you reload 9 or 223.

Agree that going with 650 means you need to be getting a case feeder.

Aren?t the 1050 caliber conversions and toolheads much more expensive and harder to swap?

[Hoser]

Agree that going with 650 means you need to be getting a case feeder.

Aren't the 1050 caliber conversions and toolheads much more expensive and harder to swap?

Conversions are a little more, but I can go from 9 to 223 in under 5 minutes. Add a couple minutes more if I have to swap out primer sizes.

And the 1050 comes complete with dies and a conversion installed. Something the 550/650/750 dont.

[whitewalrus]

Conversions are a little more, but I can go from 9 to 223 in under 5 minutes. Add a couple minutes more if I have to swap out primer sizes.

And the 1050 comes complete with dies and a conversion installed. Something the 550/650/750 dont.

Good to know, so it is just more to the cost of the conversion. Wish I had picked up a 1050 for 223.

[Grant H.]

I have always thought the 550 was a better press for the money compared to the 650. The 650/750 is worthless without a casefeeder.

If your gonna get a 650/750, just save a few more pennies and get the 1050, especially if you reload 9 or 223.

100% this!

I started with a 550, learned .45 and .308 on one when I was 13. Bought one 5 years later and it's only gone downhill from there... I still have my 550, but it's solely for producing precision rifle ammo for 3 short action calibers.

I bought a 650, for a smokin' deal through the board, and loaded several thousand 9mm on it with great success, but found myself wanting to tweak pieces and parts here and there, so I started poking around at the idea of a 1050.

Hoser's posts, as usual, answered a bunch of my questions about getting into the 1050's, so I started watching for a deal/used one.

I was actually only planning on buying 1, but due to my impatience and how ebay sometimes works, I very quickly ended up with 4 used ones... I was on a work trip for 6 weeks, hotels get boring even after 12-14 hour days, and my wife literally sent a picture of the 4 boxes captioned "WTF did you buy NOW?!?!?!?!". The best part? Two of them came with Mr Bullet Feeders...

I have since sold off 1 of them to a shooting buddy, and have one setup for small primers, one for large primers, and the third currently is nothing but a 300BLK resize/trim/resize machine...

As much as I liked the 650 compared to 550 for mass producing plinking/whatever ammo, the 1050 is that much better and more than the 650.

They are worth the extra money.

[Tim K]

I just noticed that Dillon addressed the shellplate indexing too. Another good thing. My old 650 shellplate didn't move very smoothly until I did some work and replaced some parts. It's still not great and has a tendency to rattle powder out of cases if you try to move too fast. If they made a significant improvement it would be a valuable change.