De'Von Bailey Shooting: Video Breakdown

[eddiememphis]

The shooting seems within the law. However, I can certainly see it ending up in court. They had the kid's name and new where he lived. His buddy just stood there so it's likely he would have been arrested and surely ratted on the other one.

What would have the runner done had he been able to pull the gun? Or what would he have done had they let him run? No one will ever know. And remember, regardless of the video, the kid is innocent until proven guilty in court.

But black kid and white cops equals a lot of trouble.

[encorehunter]

The shooting seems within the law. However, I can certainly see it ending up in court. They had the kid's name and new where he lived. His buddy just stood there so it's likely he would have been arrested and surely ratted on the other one.

What would have the runner done had he been able to pull the gun? Or what would he have done had they let him run? No one will ever know. And remember, regardless of the video, the kid is innocent until proven guilty in court.

But black kid and white cops equals a lot of trouble.

If they let him run and 15 minutes later he shot some one with that gun, the police officers would be crucified for letting him run away. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[eddiememphis]

If they let him run and 15 minutes later he shot some one with that gun, the police officers would be crucified for letting him run away. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Agreed. An incredibly difficult job. I'm sure the officers will be cleared of charges. A civil jury trial? Who knows.

Anyone hear what happened to the other guy? And where did they get the gun in the first place?

[FoxtArt]

The shooting seems within the law. However, I can certainly see it ending up in court. They had the kid's name and new where he lived. His buddy just stood there so it's likely he would have been arrested and surely ratted on the other one.

What would have the runner done had he been able to pull the gun? Or what would he have done had they let him run? No one will ever know. And remember, regardless of the video, the kid is innocent until proven guilty in court.

But black kid and white cops equals a lot of trouble.

If he can get a gun out of his waistband, he's doing one of two things with it:
1) Tossing it.
OR
2) Wildly shooting behind him as he runs.

Young people are by far and large, stupid in their hasty decision making. If you don't run him down, he's got a high risk of doing something violent as he flees - B&E, GTA, hostage taking, etc.


So, do you wait and see until he starts wildly shooting behind him?
If you have a family and kids, google Derek Geer.

[Great-Kazoo]

The shooting seems within the law. However, I can certainly see it ending up in court. They had the kid's name and new where he lived. His buddy just stood there so it's likely he would have been arrested and surely ratted on the other one.

What would have the runner done had he been able to pull the gun? Or what would he have done had they let him run? No one will ever know. And remember, regardless of the video, the kid is innocent until proven guilty in court.

But black kid and white cops equals a lot of trouble.

Exactly. In court. Until that time all bets are off. There's no Innocent till proven guilty, no Miranda reading, nothing. He / they are suspects. Once (if at all) arrested is where Miranda comes in to play. Everything else follows.

[cstone]

Exactly. In court. Until that time all bets are off. There's no Innocent till proven guilty, no Miranda reading, nothing. He / they are suspects. Once (if at all) arrested is where Miranda comes in to play. Everything else follows.

Miranda doesn't really come into play until custodial interrogation. Not under arrest, no need to answer. Under arrest, all you have to provide is identifying information; Name, DOB.

I often used a modified version of Miranda, but I normally didn't arrest anyone that I hadn't spent a lot of time building a case against and often after getting an arrest warrant. My version of Miranda went something like: You have the right to remain silent. Please use it. I already have enough to get you in front of a judge and more than likely enough to get you convicted. Unless you have someone much higher on the pecking order that you would like to hand up right now, I doubt you have anything worth me writing down.

Those officers knew they had suspects matching the description in the vicinity of the alleged crime. Given the call, both those guys were going to be patted down for weapons. Once a weapon was found, they would have been held briefly for a show up for another officer to bring the alleged victim to identify or not who had assaulted him. Once identified, they would be booked and given their grey bologna sandwich with a cup of colored water (kool-aid) till they were given a bail hearing. After that, the justice system would have begun it's slow grind. De'Von short circuited the system and played Russian Roulette with a few semi-automatic handguns. Bad odds. De'Von will not be a repeat offender.

Be safe.

[KevDen2005]

The shooting seems within the law. However, I can certainly see it ending up in court. They had the kid's name and new where he lived. His buddy just stood there so it's likely he would have been arrested and surely ratted on the other one.

What would have the runner done had he been able to pull the gun? Or what would he have done had they let him run? No one will ever know. And remember, regardless of the video, the kid is innocent until proven guilty in court.

But black kid and white cops equals a lot of trouble.

I see the "innocent until proven guilty" thing a lot in these shootings. You're absolutely correct, he's innocent of the robbery until proven guilty, but that doesn't allow for him to provide officer and public safety issues during the time officers are attempting to make an arrest. Officers and citizens aren't required to let an armed person present violent behavior until the trial is over. His guilt or innocence in the robbery has nothing to do with his behavior when officers have a lawful reason to contact a criminal with probable cause and significant reason to believe he's armed and said person fails to follow commands. Things would have been different had he stopped and followed directions...he would have had a jury determine his innocence.