My Lunch

[Irving]

None of what was said really says anything about individual officers either. I just want to point that out.

[theGinsue]

So you witnessed them doing an unnecessary raid on a guy that they could have just nabbed while he was leaving the store or something? That's what I'd write about in my witness report.

I'm sure that will catch me some shit on here, but oh well.

While I agree that approaching a suspect on his own turf poses additional risk to the LEO's, trying to approach this guy in public where he might have a good chance of seeing them coming and where innocent bystanders could be put at risk is even more dangerous. If the situation went so bad as to involve a bystander (which would be horrible in it's own right), the resulting media backlash could turn public opinion so against LE that officers might face further risks.

Just my 2 cents.

[Irving]

I thought of that briefly. Like they wouldn't want to try and pull him over for a busted tail light because it could turn into a high speed chase. Other than that, I can think of all kinds of ways to pounce on someone while they are unprepared. The best I can come up with, is when he is going between his front door and his car. The only down fall to that is that it requires the time of a stake out. Still much safer than what they did, and it would be a lot quicker if they shut off all his utilities.

Heck, they could even have contacted the land lord to set something up so they could have a time and place set, so they didn't have to sit around waiting all day. Lastly, the guy lives in an apartment complex, and if he started shooting from his apartment, there could easily be just as many people "around" as if he was leaving a supermarket or something.

[rondog]

But the cops have all that training and all those cool toys, gotta use 'em once in awhile ya know.

[spleify]

With all do respect Sturtl, I feel you are really jumping the gun here and making quit a few assumptions.

We have no idea what the situation was, or what this guy did, or what he was doing. I will say this though, if it warranted having 8 cops, and having them have to break in his door, I am pretty sure it wasn't for a minor traffic infraction. I'm sure they had plenty of justification in doing what they did and its pretty easy for us to sit behind our computers and play Monday morning quarter back. But I'm pretty sure they did what they felt was right at the time, LEO's dont just go around willy nilly knocking in doors for a bowl of Cheerios.

This guy did something that warranted excessive force.

JM2C

[sniper7]

I didn't get lunch. I was killing my dinner! Pheasants!!!!

cool story though.

[Irving]

It has nothing to do with what the guy did. It has everything to do with if someone was in immediate physical danger or not.

[spleify]

It has nothing to do with what the guy did. It has everything to do with if someone was in immediate physical danger or not.

IMO it has everything to do with what the guy did. How do you know that this guy didn't just kill 12 people and threatened to kill anoth 30 people? We don't know anything, so again its easy to sit here and play Monday morning quarterback. But without knowing specifics, its all just assumptions

[Irving]

It is easy to arm chair quarter back, I can't argue that. Even if the guy did just kill 12 people, and threatened to kill 30 more, sitting in his apartment all by himself with no utilities, those are just idle threats and no one is in any immediate danger. Unless you count the five men trying to get through the door way all at the same time.

Or the old lady about to get shot and killed because they are at the wrong damn place.

[Ah Pook]

If I wanted to really fawk with someone, I'd file a complaint with the cops and mention the following: "He is a drug running, ex-military, pit fighter". I'd also add off his meds and puppies at risk for good measure.

Just sayin'.