Merry Kissmyass Nancy.....

[Great-Kazoo]

Pelosi said she's probably not even going to send it to the Senate...guess why...because the Senate won't be "fair". Yeah, because secret basement meetings were fair. You got to be shitting me.

In any case, if they don't send it to the Senate, it's basically null and void. It means nothing at that point. Dems know they don't have a case, so they are just going to keep playing their games.

I'm so sick of these bullshit games.

Actually she's withholding some articles. This way if the senate votes to dismiss, she'll throw another impeachment charge against trump

[davsel]

Lindsey doesn't want a Senate trial because it could expose the dirty bastards from both parties.

[Gman]

There are no crimes in the articles. It's not up to the Senate to make the case for the House. Why give them any validation at all?

The Dems in the House keep asserting that Trump didn't ask "How high?" when they asked him to jump. They keep pushing that they're a "co-equal branch of government". Yet they didn't pursue taking their subpoenas to court to have the 3rd co-equal branch arbitrate (probably because they had nothing to stand on but their anger).

My hope is that the Dems pay dearly for this BS. They cheapened the process based on lies and deception.

[Gman]

Funny thing, the ONLY place bi-partisanship was shown was in "NOE" votes for Impeachment.....

And Pelosi said she wouldn't move forward if there wasn't bi-partisan support for it. She just can't admit that she's lost control of her party.

[Gman]

I'm just livid about the 52 Republican "Non Votes". WTF???

Assholes too busy transferring their payoffs from Soros into their offshore accounts and shopping online for new houses and toys?

Where did you get these numbers from?

These were the totals for both articles:
Article I: Abuse of Power
Total Dem.Rep. Ind.
Yes 230 229 0 1
No 197 2 195 0
Present 1 1 0 0
Not voting 3 1 2 0

Article II: Obstruction of Congress
Total Dem.Rep. Ind.
Yes 229 228 0 1
No 198 3 195 0
Present 1 1 0 0
Not voting 3 1 2 0

ETA: Sorry for the formatting, but I'm apparently not smart enough to get it to format properly for vBulletin.

[hollohas]

Actually she's withholding some articles. This way if the senate votes to dismiss, she'll throw another impeachment charge against trump

There are only two articles of impeachment. She's not going to send either over to the senate yet which means the Senate won't have anything to vote on. The Senate can't dismiss it if it's not there to be voted on.

It buys them time to play more games. It puts the impeachment into a holding pattern so they can continue to campaign on it. Which is only going to hurt the Dems more. They have no smart play here.

[Aloha_Shooter]

More accurately, the president has been impeached by a majority of democrats in the House of Representatives.

Proving that this was nothing more than political retribution, Pelosi is now waffling on whether or not to send articles of impeachment to the senate for a trial. And that's because they're afraid of what might come out if certain witnesses are called. This was a scam against the nation, plain and simple.

Pelosi said she's probably not even going to send it to the Senate...guess why...because the Senate won't be "fair". Yeah, because secret basement meetings were fair. You got to be shitting me.

In any case, if they don't send it to the Senate, it's basically null and void. It means nothing at that point. Dems know they don't have a case, so they are just going to keep playing their games.

I'm so sick of these bullshit games.

Yeah, because the Senate trial will call for witnesses, and testimonies, and facts, and etc, which will pull down the pants of a LOT of Dems.....

Can't have that now, can we?

Not just that. I think the theory is that as long as she hasn't sent it to the Senate, they can't hold a trial which means no rebuttal witnesses, no finding of "not guilty" -- which means the Dems can keep chanting and talking about him being impeached without having someone else say, "but he was exonerated" as they kept saying for Clinton. All they have done is make it more blatant that none of them (except possibly Tulsi Gabbard) have any real devotion to or understanding of the Constitution, none of them believes in duty to anything but their anti-Western, pro-Marxist ideology.

[davsel]

There are no crimes in the articles. It's not up to the Senate to make the case for the House. Why give them any validation at all?

The Dems in the House keep asserting that Trump didn't ask "How high?" when they asked him to jump. They keep pushing that they're a "co-equal branch of government". Yet they didn't pursue taking their subpoenas to court to have the 3rd co-equal branch arbitrate (probably because they had nothing to stand on but their anger).

My hope is that the Dems pay dearly for this BS. They cheapened the process based on lies and deception.

There are several pending federal court cases concerning House subpoenas and Executive Privilege.
For instance: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...na/2696585001/
Some pundits have suggested that is the reason the House is delaying sending to the Senate. If the court rules that the witnesses must appear, they can then add more "evidence" to their case before the Senate.

[Martinjmpr]

The other problem with a senate trial is that there are a number of active senators running for prez on the dem side. McConnell could drag out the process into the early primary season which would mean that senators like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would be in a no-win situation: Either they attend the trial and miss the very important early primaries, or they skip the trial which lets their non-Senator competitors call them out for their hypocrisy and blatant self interest. Either way they lose.

Yeah, I really think the dems painted themselves into a corner here. And now they have to explain to the less intelligent members of their base that after screaming "IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!" for the last 3 years that impeachment, by itself, doesn't do squat to actually remove the president from office.

[BushMasterBoy]

The US Senate is comprised of 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, and 2 independents. It is my opinion that a two thirds vote to convict the president will not occur.