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    As unaware of the process as most of the haters are, I bet some of them think if Trump was removed from office that there would be some sort of emergency election or something. I doubt most of them realize that the VP is next man up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    As unaware of the process as most of the haters are, I bet some of them think if Trump was removed from office that there would be some sort of emergency election or something. I doubt most of them realize that the VP is next man up.
    They're after Pence too. The comments i've read on more progressive web sites is. They believe when and if Trump goes, so does Pence. Handing pelosi the CIC job. What decade did they stop teaching these things in skol?
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    This was over a year ago, but Trey Gowdy laid things out so clearly;


    There were only a few actors that created so much of this mess.

    I would really like to see Trey Gowdy play a role in a Senate trial.

    Another great clip casting light on the impeachment angle and bias over a year ago;


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    A lot of people are mistaking Trump's actions and interpreting them as if we had reasonable rational people in Congress and the bureaucracy. Under normal circumstances (i.e., dealing with reasonable rational people), I agree that simply pissing people off is not an effective leadership style. However, I believe what Trump is doing is poking his opponents enough that they lose their self-control and he's able to effectively undercut them. That actually IS an effective leadership style, albeit not one we are used to seeing at the national level and not one that we would want to see applied universally.

    Remember that Trump comes from a background of creative destruction, both in his negotiations and his administrative style. He hires people and fires them quickly until he finds someone he thinks is effective. The moment they cease to be effective or cease to do things the way he wants, he gets rid of them. That is NOT how DC generally operates and it drives the establishment nuts -- but it has worked for Trump for 30 years or so.

    The media and the Democrats have been driven absolutely crazy by Trump's constant needling to the point that the media has abandoned any pretext of objectivism or neutrality (which they laughingly claimed during the previous 30 years). In doing so, they have exposed themselves even to the American public that wanted to believe CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC was reporting news or that Democratic legislators really wanted to represent "the common (wo)man". Of course, some people will absolutely refuse to see what's in front of their noses but current polls show more and more of the independents/moderates are seeing through the Leftist lies. Trump's still a dick but he's a dick we can live with more than the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Trump's still a dick but he's a dick we can live with more than the alternative.
    That's about where I stand with him. That, and I actually like the way he badgers democrats and their commie media friends. It's about time someone did.
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    I voted for him for SCOTUS. Anyone that acts like he's all bad or all good (or anyone else, even Hillary for that matter) is fooling themselves. Even some of Obama's actions were not bad. (not many, but it is important to recognize).

    The reason Trump got elected has little-to-nothing to do with his resume (many are far, far better than his, and much of his is exaggerated and false, which is why he cannot release his tax returns), and everything to do with the same thing that got Greta "elected" to be be the president of ditching school, despite being wholly unqualified to discuss climate to even a Labrador retriever.

    Being great at acting, and faking emotion.

    I've warned people before: Trump does not actually have real positions, he just likes attention. He was a NY democrat just before he became the GOP president, and donated to HRC. He's hobnobbed and bought influence since before most users were born here. "Draining the swamp" is not something he does, he is a part of his own swamp. He does TRUMP, that's it. He doesn't care about 2A, he just likes your attention, which makes him apt to switch positions on a whim.

    Many of his policies have been good. Many have also been bad. Obama was ironically better for firearm rights. (someone prove me wrong )

    Domestically, many of Trumps policies have been positive; but then again, so would've 85% of GOP style candidates.
    Internationally, Trump has caused a lot of damage / much of it has been a train-wreck, although like anything, nothing is ever all bad. One international problem is that Trump is freakishly easy to manipulate himself.... It's important to have "unpredictable", and a leader with such a crystalline personality disorder is anything but, especially once they've seen the pattern he falls into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    This was over a year ago, but Trey Gowdy laid things out so clearly;

    There were only a few actors that created so much of this mess.

    I would really like to see Trey Gowdy play a role in a Senate trial.

    Another great clip casting light on the impeachment angle and bias over a year ago;

    "Justice delayed is justice denied."
    Name one person Trey Gowdy has helped charge with an actual crime.
    He talks a good game and is fun to watch, but has done nothing to actually follow through with putting anyone away for anything.
    Jordan is the same.
    Lots of smoke to appease the pissed-off masses, but never any fire.
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    As if a single member has that kind of power.

    From Gowdy's resignation statement;
    I will not be filing for re-election to Congress nor seeking any other political or elected office; instead I will be returning to the justice system. Whatever skills I may have are better utilized in a courtroom than in Congress, and I enjoy our justice system more than our political system. As I look back on my career, it is the jobs that both seek and reward fairness that are most rewarding.


    I'm hearing that one of the Dems Constitutional scholar witnesses is now saying that if the House doesn't transmit the impeachment to the Senate, then Trump is not impeached. Impeachment is a process, not a vote. This should be entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    I've warned people before: Trump does not actually have real positions, he just likes attention. He was a NY democrat just before he became the GOP president, and donated to HRC. He's hobnobbed and bought influence since before most users were born here. "Draining the swamp" is not something he does, he is a part of his own swamp. He does TRUMP, that's it. He doesn't care about 2A, he just likes your attention, which makes him apt to switch positions on a whim.
    Trump's past was why I was skeptical of him during the primaries but the Democratic sliming has actually driven him deeper into supporting conservative positions. I'm okay with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    Many of his policies have been good. Many have also been bad. Obama was ironically better for firearm rights. (someone prove me wrong )
    False. The reaction to Obama's policies were better for firearm rights but Obama and Holder plotted to create gun crimes with Operation Fast and Furious so they could undercut firearm rights. Obama tried to place firearm limits on federal lands, it was Republicans that restored them.

    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    Internationally, Trump has caused a lot of damage / much of it has been a train-wreck, although like anything, nothing is ever all bad. One international problem is that Trump is freakishly easy to manipulate himself.... It's important to have "unpredictable", and a leader with such a crystalline personality disorder is anything but, especially once they've seen the pattern he falls into.
    No. Much as I dislike his continued salesmanship, Trump hasn't caused damage internationally, he has forced the socialists and globalists to face facts. In doing so, he's hurt some feelings and made the Europhiles feel butt-hurt but he hasn't actually caused any damage. If anything, he's solidified America's position by showing he means it when he's pushing "America First" policies. Sure, he's said nice things about Kim Jong Un, things I wish he hadn't said, but he didn't stop or reduce our monitoring of North Korea. He's had a pattern of saying nice things to ease negotiations but his history shows he's a sonuvabeesh outside the niceties. We've needed that approach in international engagement for decades because the globalists felt they could walk all over Clinton and both Bushes while Obama not only bent America over to take it, he gave the Leftists a bigger toy to do it with.

    Cite one case where Trump has been manipulated by other countries. If he's so easy to manipulate, why don't they do it instead of whining all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxArt View Post
    Obama was ironically better for firearm rights. (someone prove me wrong)
    What exactly do you mean by that? Serious question because I wanna respond but I want us to be on the same page. Are you talking legislation wise or some other way?
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